A question for all the posters here

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-13-2003, 10:35 AM

Is everyone in agreement that Kordell Stewart is a below avg qb even though the Bears have virtually no wr's to speak of?

saintz08 · 10-13-2003, 10:55 AM

I would have to agree with that assessment of Stewart , not the receiving core .

Booker is a talented receiver , injured but talented .

Liked the litttle stat that Stewart never pitches on the option , he has become a rather readable quarterback .

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-13-2003, 11:09 AM

Very well, I would agree with that assessment. But you will agree that the Bears don\'t have NEAR the wr corp that we do. That being said, I think you will find this VERY interesting. Here are Kordells and Aarons stats from yesterday.

Kordell-10-21-152 yards
Brooks-14-29-153 yards

Umm, I\'m not mathmatical genuis, but what this tells me is that these are two BAD quarterbacks. Not to mention, Duece had 116 yards, which SHOULD HAVE opened up the passing game. Yes, Brooks had 2 tds, but really, is that enough to overshadow his overall poor performance? I don\'t think so.

saintfan · 10-13-2003, 11:29 AM

Shortsighted as usual...

How many dropped passes were there. Sure, there were some poor throws. In fact, in every game I wateched yesterday I saw QB\'s make some poor throws. None of the QB\'s I watched yesterday were perfect. Not a single one of \'em.

Now, if you add up the balls that \"should\" have been caught what do Brooks\' numbers look like? Hall of Fame numbers? Probably not, but certainly better than 14-29-153 yards.

The rest of ya\'ll are only beginning to see what I\'ve been screaming about since mid-season last year, and that\'s dropped passes. That Brooks has a rating of 80.4 this year in my humble opinion is amazing in and of itself all things considered.

Now, \"08\", because he has an agenda, will counter by saying Brooks throws balls behind his receivers and too high, and yes, he has done that (someting his boy Delhomme, while consistantly throwing off his back foot, does game after game after game), but I flip through the other games and I see guys diving for balls or otherwise making catches when the ball doesn\'t hit \'em square in the hands...our receivers don\'t do that. I saw Peyton manning lead Marvin Harrison perfectly yesterday...right into a DB who NAILED him at the one. \"08\" and you other biased individulas will credit him with an \"on target\" throw, but Brooks makes that throw and ya\'ll use it as an excuse for our overrated receivers saying they\'re scared of gettin\' hit. It\'s silly, and it\'s transparant that you guys have an agenda...and it\'s funny, and I laugh heartily at the persistant and rather weak attempts at blaming Brooks for the Saints\' problems.

As I have said before and continue to believe, it\'s a damn good thing some of you aren\'t in charge.

saintz08 · 10-13-2003, 11:47 AM

Alright Saintsfan ,

I will let you get this one . Have you noticed where Cromwell and previously Sloan dropped these passes ???

Let\'s give some credit to both of these tight ends , they were previously Pro Bowl caliber players before coming to New Orleans .Then suddenly they suffer from the droppsies .

saintfan · 10-13-2003, 11:52 AM

You\'re actually brave enough to indicate that those two fella\'s aren\'t catching passes they should catch because of Aaron Brooks? That\'s not brave, that\'s just plain stupid. Man you are amazing...and old...and tired, just like your anti-Brooks agenda. Old and Tired... Jesus H Christ man. Do you realize you\'ll make an excuse for ANYONE who\'s name isn\'t Brooks? I realize it, and others do too.

tweeky · 10-13-2003, 11:54 AM

Alright Saintsfan ,

I will let you get this one . Have you noticed where Cromwell and previously Sloan dropped these passes ???

Let\'s give some credit to both of these tight ends , they were previously Pro Bowl caliber players before coming to New Orleans .Then suddenly they suffer from the droppsies .

I thought this was cool. CONWELL explained his drop, didn\'t make excuses, but it shed some light on why he may have dropped it.

As he was sliding over to his area, the DE for the Bears was between he and Brooks. He didn\'t see the ball until it was about 2 feet from him. We see it as a bone-headed drop, but after his explanation its a bit more tolerable. Not much, but somewhat. At least now I don\'t want to string him up anymore.

TheOriginalSwampdog · 10-13-2003, 12:02 PM

Yeah Saintsfan, it\'s a good think we\'re not in charge. Obviously, a staff that hasn\'t been to the playoffs going on 3 years in a row, knows EXACTLY what they are doing! Yeah, we are all washed up about Brooks. That\'s why a guy like Gil Bradnt said that Brooks should be benched in favor of Bouman. God knows you know more than a guy who was ACTUALLY employeed in personal decision making in the NFL. Yep, we are all wrong guys, Saintsfan has all the answers and Brooks is fantastic.

[Edited on 13/10/2003 by TheOriginalSwampdog]

saintfan · 10-13-2003, 12:06 PM

How many dropped passes were there. Sure, there were some poor throws. In fact, in every game I wateched yesterday I saw QB\'s make some poor throws. None of the QB\'s I watched yesterday were perfect. Not a single one of \'em.

Now, if you add up the balls that \"should\" have been caught what do Brooks\' numbers look like? Hall of Fame numbers? Probably not, but certainly better than 14-29-153 yards.

Rather than posting rhetoric try answering the question. Wanna know why you can\'t? Because you didn\'t bother to count up the dropped passes. Do you have a clue at all or do you just wander around from board to board typing ignorance?

Answer the question and we\'ll go from there, ok?

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-13-2003, 12:09 PM

Brooks needs to improve in some areas. Mainly he needs to play more consistant. But, he is playing better than our receivers. I would bench everyone of our receivers before I would Brooks and that includes Joe Horn. Now, I didn\'t say I would bench ANY of our receivers. I said I would bench them before benching Brooks. Fans want to overlook the importance of dropped passes, but Joe Montana\'s numbers would suffer with all the dropped passes by our receivers.

Look around at the QB\'s in this league and see that while Brooks isn\'t perfect that there are a bunch of QB\'s that are playing much worse. Would you guys bench these QB\'s too?

Aaron Brooks NO 6 185 30.8 108 58.4 1156 183.0 42 7 4 9 58 80.4
Drew Bledsoe BUF 6 196 32.7 116 59.2 1351 201.7 54 5 4 19 141 80.1
Rich Gannon OAK 6 206 34.3 115 55.8 1216 190.7 46 6 3 14 72 76.8
Quincy Carter DAL 5 151 30.2 85 56.3 1177 222.4 54 4 5 11 65 76.5
Tommy Maddox PIT 6 211 35.2 131 62.1 1486 227.7 50 5 8 20 120 75.3
Jay Fiedler MIA 5 132 26.4 75 56.8 885 169.0 57 5 5 7 40 74.2
Drew Brees SD 5 191 38.2 111 58.1 1137 214.2 46 7 7 8 66 72.3
Tom Brady NE 6 187 31.2 109 58.3 1179 177.0 58 6 7 15 117 72.0
Jake Delhomme CAR 5 113 22.6 65 57.5 691 130.4 52 5 5 6 39 71.8
David Carr HOU 5 172 34.4 99 57.6 1251 240.6 78 5 8 8 48 70.7
Jeff Blake ARI 6 172 28.7 101 58.7 1142 182.3 71 7 9 8 48 70.4
Doug Johnson ATL 5 145 29.0 87 60.0 1024 188.2 63 6 9 14 83 69.4
Steve Beuerlein DEN 3 44 14.7 24 54.5 270 83.3 38 2 2 4 20 69.3
Jeff Garcia SF 6 182 30.3 101 55.5 1117 178.8 30 6 7 11 44 68.9
Kerry Collins NYG 5 218 43.6 125 57.3 1333 258.4 77 6 9 8 41 67.3
Kelly Holcomb CLE 3 104 34.7 62 59.6 551 165.7 27 3 5 6 54 63.4
Donovan McNabb PHI 5 167 33.4 82 49.1 790 135.2 52 2 5 19 114 54.2

10-13-2003, 10:35 AM	#1
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	A question for all the posters here Is everyone in agreement that Kordell Stewart is a below avg qb even though the Bears have virtually no wr's to speak of?

10-13-2003, 10:55 AM	#2
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	A question for all the posters here I would have to agree with that assessment of Stewart , not the receiving core . Booker is a talented receiver , injured but talented . Liked the litttle stat that Stewart never pitches on the option , he has become a rather readable quarterback .
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10-13-2003, 11:09 AM	#3
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	A question for all the posters here Very well, I would agree with that assessment. But you will agree that the Bears don\'t have NEAR the wr corp that we do. That being said, I think you will find this VERY interesting. Here are Kordells and Aarons stats from yesterday. Kordell-10-21-152 yards Brooks-14-29-153 yards Umm, I\'m not mathmatical genuis, but what this tells me is that these are two BAD quarterbacks. Not to mention, Duece had 116 yards, which SHOULD HAVE opened up the passing game. Yes, Brooks had 2 tds, but really, is that enough to overshadow his overall poor performance? I don\'t think so.
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10-13-2003, 11:29 AM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	A question for all the posters here Shortsighted as usual... How many dropped passes were there. Sure, there were some poor throws. In fact, in every game I wateched yesterday I saw QB\'s make some poor throws. None of the QB\'s I watched yesterday were perfect. Not a single one of \'em. Now, if you add up the balls that \"should\" have been caught what do Brooks\' numbers look like? Hall of Fame numbers? Probably not, but certainly better than 14-29-153 yards. The rest of ya\'ll are only beginning to see what I\'ve been screaming about since mid-season last year, and that\'s dropped passes. That Brooks has a rating of 80.4 this year in my humble opinion is amazing in and of itself all things considered. Now, \"08\", because he has an agenda, will counter by saying Brooks throws balls behind his receivers and too high, and yes, he has done that (someting his boy Delhomme, while consistantly throwing off his back foot, does game after game after game), but I flip through the other games and I see guys diving for balls or otherwise making catches when the ball doesn\'t hit \'em square in the hands...our receivers don\'t do that. I saw Peyton manning lead Marvin Harrison perfectly yesterday...right into a DB who NAILED him at the one. \"08\" and you other biased individulas will credit him with an \"on target\" throw, but Brooks makes that throw and ya\'ll use it as an excuse for our overrated receivers saying they\'re scared of gettin\' hit. It\'s silly, and it\'s transparant that you guys have an agenda...and it\'s funny, and I laugh heartily at the persistant and rather weak attempts at blaming Brooks for the Saints\' problems. As I have said before and continue to believe, it\'s a damn good thing some of you aren\'t in charge.
	C'mon Man...

10-13-2003, 11:47 AM	#5
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	A question for all the posters here Alright Saintsfan , I will let you get this one . Have you noticed where Cromwell and previously Sloan dropped these passes ??? Let\'s give some credit to both of these tight ends , they were previously Pro Bowl caliber players before coming to New Orleans .Then suddenly they suffer from the droppsies .
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10-13-2003, 11:52 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	A question for all the posters here You\'re actually brave enough to indicate that those two fella\'s aren\'t catching passes they should catch because of Aaron Brooks? That\'s not brave, that\'s just plain stupid. Man you are amazing...and old...and tired, just like your anti-Brooks agenda. Old and Tired... Jesus H Christ man. Do you realize you\'ll make an excuse for ANYONE who\'s name isn\'t Brooks? I realize it, and others do too.

10-13-2003, 11:54 AM	#7
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	A question for all the posters here Alright Saintsfan , I will let you get this one . Have you noticed where Cromwell and previously Sloan dropped these passes ??? Let\'s give some credit to both of these tight ends , they were previously Pro Bowl caliber players before coming to New Orleans .Then suddenly they suffer from the droppsies . I thought this was cool. CONWELL explained his drop, didn\'t make excuses, but it shed some light on why he may have dropped it. As he was sliding over to his area, the DE for the Bears was between he and Brooks. He didn\'t see the ball until it was about 2 feet from him. We see it as a bone-headed drop, but after his explanation its a bit more tolerable. Not much, but somewhat. At least now I don\'t want to string him up anymore.

10-13-2003, 12:02 PM	#8
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	A question for all the posters here Yeah Saintsfan, it\'s a good think we\'re not in charge. Obviously, a staff that hasn\'t been to the playoffs going on 3 years in a row, knows EXACTLY what they are doing! Yeah, we are all washed up about Brooks. That\'s why a guy like Gil Bradnt said that Brooks should be benched in favor of Bouman. God knows you know more than a guy who was ACTUALLY employeed in personal decision making in the NFL. Yep, we are all wrong guys, Saintsfan has all the answers and Brooks is fantastic. [Edited on 13/10/2003 by TheOriginalSwampdog]

10-13-2003, 12:06 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	A question for all the posters here How many dropped passes were there. Sure, there were some poor throws. In fact, in every game I wateched yesterday I saw QB\'s make some poor throws. None of the QB\'s I watched yesterday were perfect. Not a single one of \'em. Now, if you add up the balls that \"should\" have been caught what do Brooks\' numbers look like? Hall of Fame numbers? Probably not, but certainly better than 14-29-153 yards. Rather than posting rhetoric try answering the question. Wanna know why you can\'t? Because you didn\'t bother to count up the dropped passes. Do you have a clue at all or do you just wander around from board to board typing ignorance? Answer the question and we\'ll go from there, ok?

10-13-2003, 12:09 PM	#10
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	A question for all the posters here Brooks needs to improve in some areas. Mainly he needs to play more consistant. But, he is playing better than our receivers. I would bench everyone of our receivers before I would Brooks and that includes Joe Horn. Now, I didn\'t say I would bench ANY of our receivers. I said I would bench them before benching Brooks. Fans want to overlook the importance of dropped passes, but Joe Montana\'s numbers would suffer with all the dropped passes by our receivers. Look around at the QB\'s in this league and see that while Brooks isn\'t perfect that there are a bunch of QB\'s that are playing much worse. Would you guys bench these QB\'s too? Aaron Brooks NO 6 185 30.8 108 58.4 1156 183.0 42 7 4 9 58 80.4 Drew Bledsoe BUF 6 196 32.7 116 59.2 1351 201.7 54 5 4 19 141 80.1 Rich Gannon OAK 6 206 34.3 115 55.8 1216 190.7 46 6 3 14 72 76.8 Quincy Carter DAL 5 151 30.2 85 56.3 1177 222.4 54 4 5 11 65 76.5 Tommy Maddox PIT 6 211 35.2 131 62.1 1486 227.7 50 5 8 20 120 75.3 Jay Fiedler MIA 5 132 26.4 75 56.8 885 169.0 57 5 5 7 40 74.2 Drew Brees SD 5 191 38.2 111 58.1 1137 214.2 46 7 7 8 66 72.3 Tom Brady NE 6 187 31.2 109 58.3 1179 177.0 58 6 7 15 117 72.0 Jake Delhomme CAR 5 113 22.6 65 57.5 691 130.4 52 5 5 6 39 71.8 David Carr HOU 5 172 34.4 99 57.6 1251 240.6 78 5 8 8 48 70.7 Jeff Blake ARI 6 172 28.7 101 58.7 1142 182.3 71 7 9 8 48 70.4 Doug Johnson ATL 5 145 29.0 87 60.0 1024 188.2 63 6 9 14 83 69.4 Steve Beuerlein DEN 3 44 14.7 24 54.5 270 83.3 38 2 2 4 20 69.3 Jeff Garcia SF 6 182 30.3 101 55.5 1117 178.8 30 6 7 11 44 68.9 Kerry Collins NYG 5 218 43.6 125 57.3 1333 258.4 77 6 9 8 41 67.3 Kelly Holcomb CLE 3 104 34.7 62 59.6 551 165.7 27 3 5 6 54 63.4 Donovan McNabb PHI 5 167 33.4 82 49.1 790 135.2 52 2 5 19 114 54.2
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