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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by nogumbo4u Interesting that Nissan-USA does not use union labor and continues to dominate the American market in both cars and happy employees. Unions ABSOLUTELY served their purpose in history but now union officials are just another group ...

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Old 09-13-2010, 03:00 PM   #1
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Originally Posted by nogumbo4u View Post
Interesting that Nissan-USA does not use union labor and continues to dominate the American market in both cars and happy employees. Unions ABSOLUTELY served their purpose in history but now union officials are just another group of people getting their cut and passing the cost down to consumers (which includes fellow union members). How much of the sticker price on your Chevy went to pay administrative fees for unions?

How much of your season ticket goes to pay for the same fees?

Not all unions are bad man....we need to quit selling ourselves down the river...and stick together...thats what made this country...
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Old 09-13-2010, 03:51 PM   #2
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Not all unions are bad man....we need to quit selling ourselves down the river...and stick together...thats what made this country...
I agree with you brother. I come from a family of union members and we do need to stick together. The idea of a union is great but with all things in a corporate society such as ours, what starts as a good idea often gets corrupted and misused. When unions were organized the common man had no voice. The only thing someone knew about current events was what happened to make it into their local paper. Now, some jackass preacher in BF Florida wants to burn a Qur'an and it's an international incident that, not only, the president chimes in on but the leader of our forces in the middle east, but that's a whole different subject.

My point is that everything is out there for everyone to see. The kind of labor abuses that rallyed labor unions together in the first place are not going to go unchecked as they did. I'll say this again, unions ABSOLUTELY served their purpose in history (THANK GOD FOR THE LABOR LAWS THEY HELPED TO CREATE). But they, like most big businesses (and they have become a business) have succomed to power grabs, political influence and in some cases corruption. All the while you and I pay the price, union or not.

How does this relate to the NFL? Same thing has happened in the NFL. Players were payed peanuts and had no rules to protect them on the field. They had no benefits to help them pay for medical care after retirement. Football players were left with a lifetime of misery for almost nothing in return. The players unionized and set the record straight. Now, you have young players who don't even know about the history of the NFL and what it took to get them the big salaries and medical treatment. They come into the NFL with a sense of entitlement. They want more, the owners aren't going to take less. All of the back and forth and negotiating and meetings and lawyers and on and on comes with an administrative cost that is pushed down to us...the fan.

At the end of the day they are arguing over how much of OUR money are they going to demand from US in order to see our team play.

I know you don't HAVE to buy season tickets. Tell that to a Saints fan this year.

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Old 09-13-2010, 04:04 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by nogumbo4u View Post
I agree with you brother. I come from a family of union members and we do need to stick together. The idea of a union is great but with all things in a corporate society such as ours, what starts as a good idea often gets corrupted and misused. When unions were organized the common man had no voice. The only thing someone knew about current events was what happened to make it into their local paper. Now, some jackass preacher in BF Florida wants to burn a Qur'an and it's an international incident that, not only, the president chimes in on but the leader of our forces in the middle east, but that's a whole different subject.

My point is that everything is out there for everyone to see. The kind of labor abuses that rallyed labor unions together in the first place are not going to go unchecked as they did. I'll say this again, unions ABSOLUTELY served their purpose in history (THANK GOD FOR THE LABOR LAWS THEY HELPED TO CREATE). But they, like most big businesses (and they have become a business) have succomed to power grabs, political influence and in some cases corruption. All the while you and I pay the price, union or not.

How does this relate to the NFL? Same thing has happened in the NFL. Players were payed peanuts and had no rules to protect them on the field. They had no benefits to help them pay for medical care after retirement. Football players were left with a lifetime of misery for almost nothing in return. The players unionized and set the record straight. Now, you have young players who don't even know about the history of the NFL and what it took to get them the big salaries and medical treatment. They come into the NFL with a sense of entitlement. They want more, the owners aren't going to take less. All of the back and forth and negotiating and meetings and lawyers and on and on comes with an administrative cost that is pushed down to us...the fan.

At the end of the day they are arguing over how much of OUR money are they going to demand from US in order to see our team play.

I know you don't HAVE to buy season tickets. Tell that to a Saints fan this year.
I agree..there needs to be a rookie cap...and remember our beloved Mr. Brees is spearheading a lot of this..If i was a player ..i would probably be doing the same thing....i just hope they can work this out and keep the game i love from going in the crapper...
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