The Elephant in the room.....

SaintPauly · 09-10-2010, 05:30 PM

Ok, if this subject was agreed upon, NOT to be talked about, I apologize in advance, because I didn't get the memo.... What did everyone think about the "protest", towards the owners last night, at the beginning of the game, and Brees' involvement with it? I mean, I guess it wasn't THAT big of a deal, but the backlash today, from the fans, has been pretty rough. I heard one fan say on the radio this morning, that they are all a bunch of "rich guys, trying to act like they are unionized dock workers. with unemployment reaching the 20 percent mark in this country, it's really sad to see this going on."

I'm a firm believer in getting paid for what you do, and what they do it very dangerous indeed. But not as dangerous as say being a policeman, or in the military, or a fireman. Those guys put their lives on the line everyday, and don't make anywhere NEAR what a bench warming NFL scrub makes. I have a hard time feeling sorry for their prediciment. Maybe someone can explain it better, to where I can understand it better.

Choupique · 09-10-2010, 05:32 PM

Unity is a good thing. The players should show solidarity. Good for them.

SaintPauly · 09-10-2010, 05:44 PM

I agree on their solidarity being a good thing. My only problem I guess, is that the fans are the ones that could suffer from this, and with the price of tickets, merchandise, and even cable, alot of people can't even afford to keep up with sports in general anymore. The owners are the one's making more money than anyone right now, so that is also a point I understand. The players want their part of it, because they are the one's taking the chances with their lives here. It just seems to be a very complicated situation to me.

FireVenturi · 09-10-2010, 05:46 PM

The Nfl is a business and just like any other union, they stick together. The players get a lot of $h!t from fans when the owners make more than 10 times what the players do to sit in the box!

Just sayin'

OldMaid · 09-10-2010, 05:59 PM

Video: Saints and Vikings players show union solidarity - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports

SaintPauly · 09-10-2010, 06:18 PM

Ok, I just found something on a yahoo discussion, that cleared up alot of confusion for me. Check it out:

"There is a big confusion here, the issue doesn't revolve around players STRIKING, but the owners LOCKING the players out. There is a big difference because while the LOCKOUT is going on the Owners are still getting paid from television contracts and merchandising while the players aren't. Now you want 18 games in one season and you want the players to keep giving in taking less money while someone else pockets get fat and they have migraine headeache and could barely walk 10 yrs after retirement? It's ridiculous. I am all for the players here like I was for Revis. The fans come to see the players not the owners. Why do you think they keep building all these new stadiums so the owners can just keep getting richer well after they discard the players. Makes no sense to me. Fine Brady makes all that money but Kraft make 20x that much off football fans who come to see Brady."

saintfan · 09-10-2010, 06:20 PM

The NFL is making a piss-load of money. I'm normally anti-union because I believe that their intended purpose has been bastardized by greedy people over the years and that they now more than ever protect shoddy workmanship.

Still, I'm with the players on this one.

SaintPauly · 09-10-2010, 07:00 PM

Yeah, I agree. When I first heard about this, I think that the media was really out to make the players look greedy, when it's really the owners, that are the one's making this happen. They keep calling it a "strike" by the players, when in reallity, if there is no football, it will be the owners faults, for not budging on the requests of the NFLPA. Players do make alot of money, no question, but there are alot of things they want, that have nothing to do current with rosters. Better care for retired players is good. I also have to say though, that these guys REALLY need to take better care of their money, at the same time. How can you get a guaranteed contract of 20 million dollars, and have to file for bankruptcy? Don't let your gold digging wife handle the finances I guess....

CheramieIII · 09-10-2010, 07:01 PM

They should stick together and they shouldn't get another damn percentage point. The make plenty enough, get plenty enough attention and the owners own the teams.

C17-BING · 09-10-2010, 07:06 PM

There was a REALLY interesting article back in the 90's done by Sport Illustrated on "The Worth of Professional Athlete's" (I'll try and find it), but at the end of the day ... They aren't paid NEARLY what they bring in.

Personally, I understand the comments about policemen, firefighters, military etc. .... I'm in the Air Force, but that's a CHOICE I made (all of us did knowing what we'd be paid) ... Just like all of you made a choice to go to the Saints game (or any other sports venue) and feed the hungry cash cow ... Life is about CHOICES. I'm not implying that anyone here was *****ing, but it doesn't change the fact that you can't complain about the choices you made in life ... Last time I checked America was a free nation (thanks to Military people and GREAT American's) ... But, we all do what we do knowing that we won't get rich from it --- It's a duty that we gladly give.

In essence, these guys bring in MILLIONS of dollars and get paid a fraction of what they bring in, so who cares if they stick together -- they should. I would do it and so would you ...

09-10-2010, 05:30 PM	#1
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	The Elephant in the room..... Ok, if this subject was agreed upon, NOT to be talked about, I apologize in advance, because I didn't get the memo.... What did everyone think about the "protest", towards the owners last night, at the beginning of the game, and Brees' involvement with it? I mean, I guess it wasn't THAT big of a deal, but the backlash today, from the fans, has been pretty rough. I heard one fan say on the radio this morning, that they are all a bunch of "rich guys, trying to act like they are unionized dock workers. with unemployment reaching the 20 percent mark in this country, it's really sad to see this going on." I'm a firm believer in getting paid for what you do, and what they do it very dangerous indeed. But not as dangerous as say being a policeman, or in the military, or a fireman. Those guys put their lives on the line everyday, and don't make anywhere NEAR what a bench warming NFL scrub makes. I have a hard time feeling sorry for their prediciment. Maybe someone can explain it better, to where I can understand it better.
	What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

09-10-2010, 05:32 PM	#2
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Unity is a good thing. The players should show solidarity. Good for them.
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09-10-2010, 05:44 PM	#3
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	I agree on their solidarity being a good thing. My only problem I guess, is that the fans are the ones that could suffer from this, and with the price of tickets, merchandise, and even cable, alot of people can't even afford to keep up with sports in general anymore. The owners are the one's making more money than anyone right now, so that is also a point I understand. The players want their part of it, because they are the one's taking the chances with their lives here. It just seems to be a very complicated situation to me.
	What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

09-10-2010, 06:18 PM	#6
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Ok, I just found something on a yahoo discussion, that cleared up alot of confusion for me. Check it out: "There is a big confusion here, the issue doesn't revolve around players STRIKING, but the owners LOCKING the players out. There is a big difference because while the LOCKOUT is going on the Owners are still getting paid from television contracts and merchandising while the players aren't. Now you want 18 games in one season and you want the players to keep giving in taking less money while someone else pockets get fat and they have migraine headeache and could barely walk 10 yrs after retirement? It's ridiculous. I am all for the players here like I was for Revis. The fans come to see the players not the owners. Why do you think they keep building all these new stadiums so the owners can just keep getting richer well after they discard the players. Makes no sense to me. Fine Brady makes all that money but Kraft make 20x that much off football fans who come to see Brady."
	What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

09-10-2010, 07:00 PM	#8
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Yeah, I agree. When I first heard about this, I think that the media was really out to make the players look greedy, when it's really the owners, that are the one's making this happen. They keep calling it a "strike" by the players, when in reallity, if there is no football, it will be the owners faults, for not budging on the requests of the NFLPA. Players do make alot of money, no question, but there are alot of things they want, that have nothing to do current with rosters. Better care for retired players is good. I also have to say though, that these guys REALLY need to take better care of their money, at the same time. How can you get a guaranteed contract of 20 million dollars, and have to file for bankruptcy? Don't let your gold digging wife handle the finances I guess....
	What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular..... Last edited by SaintPauly; 09-10-2010 at 07:02 PM..

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09-10-2010, 05:46 PM	#4
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	The Nfl is a business and just like any other union, they stick together. The players get a lot of $h!t from fans when the owners make more than 10 times what the players do to sit in the box! Just sayin'

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	The NFL is making a piss-load of money. I'm normally anti-union because I believe that their intended purpose has been bastardized by greedy people over the years and that they now more than ever protect shoddy workmanship. Still, I'm with the players on this one.

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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	They should stick together and they shouldn't get another damn percentage point. The make plenty enough, get plenty enough attention and the owners own the teams.

09-10-2010, 07:06 PM	#10
C17-BING 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 231	There was a REALLY interesting article back in the 90's done by Sport Illustrated on "The Worth of Professional Athlete's" (I'll try and find it), but at the end of the day ... They aren't paid NEARLY what they bring in. Personally, I understand the comments about policemen, firefighters, military etc. .... I'm in the Air Force, but that's a CHOICE I made (all of us did knowing what we'd be paid) ... Just like all of you made a choice to go to the Saints game (or any other sports venue) and feed the hungry cash cow ... Life is about CHOICES. I'm not implying that anyone here was *****ing, but it doesn't change the fact that you can't complain about the choices you made in life ... Last time I checked America was a free nation (thanks to Military people and GREAT American's) ... But, we all do what we do knowing that we won't get rich from it --- It's a duty that we gladly give. In essence, these guys bring in MILLIONS of dollars and get paid a fraction of what they bring in, so who cares if they stick together -- they should. I would do it and so would you ...
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