Leadership project in progress

saintz08 · 10-23-2003, 10:12 AM

Rebuttal :

Leaders generally lead by example , so I find it rather amusing that a person who does not have the ability to live up to his end of a bet should even post on leadership . Honor is a high quality in leadership value , so maybe the addition library time will do you some good .

In my opinion you are using a stat that says the panthers defense is ranked 23rd to say your boy Jake is winning without a good defense when in acuallity they are the 3rd best defense in points allowed.

Well we know what they say about opinions , now lets look at that defense .

Panther pass defense is ranked 29th
Falcons pass defense is ranked 28th

Brooks could only put up 13 points against a suspect secondary ?? Sounds like you are making excuses .

I think that leadership isn\'t only exibited against the top defenses in the league. In my opinion you are doing nothing by trying to further your agenda against Brooks.

Panther pass defense is ranked 29th
Falcons pass defense is ranked 28th

By the way , Jake does not play defense . So there is not way to Discredit Brooks leadership ability or playmaking ability against the 29th ranked pass defense in the league . 13 points against this secondary pretty much does it for itself .

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-23-2003, 10:23 AM

08 --

Honor is a high quality in leadership value

You need to learn to honor the TRUTH. The truth is looking you dead in your eyes, but you aren\'t willing to acknowledge the TRUTH. Now, I can play the stat game with you, but you lose everytime. We can talk about physical abilities of Jake and Aaron -- Again you lose. We can talk about any comparision you want between the 2 QB\'s and once again you lose.

Now, I understand you love \"JAKE\", but at some point you are gonna have to acknowledge the TRUTH. But I know you probably never will. Just for fun 08 - Tell me what Brooks has to do to win you over?

[Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

saintfan · 10-23-2003, 10:24 AM

Jake Delhomme\'s team is one of how many the Saints managed to hold under 20 points 08...in the last how many years? They scored a special teams TD too didn\'t they? How well did Jake do in that game...honestly?

By the way, as a spin Doctor you have NO BUSINESS questioning ANYbody\'s honor...none whatsoever.

Are you also unaware of the fact that the Carlolina pass rush is regarded by everyone as one of the best in the NFL? This helps mask their less that stellar secondary...as if you didn\'t know that already.

...but you DO know that already. Your agenda is showing 08, and it\'s not very attractive. Cover that shi& up already.

Old and Tired...Old and tired...

saintz08 · 10-23-2003, 10:42 AM

Jake Delhomme\'s team is one of how many the Saints managed to hold under 20 points 08...in the last how many years?

4 teams this year have held the offense to 20 points or less ?? Thats over 50 % and Jake only played on one of them .

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-23-2003, 05:47 PM

As far as Brooks and leadership goes, I don\'t think Brooks has the best leadership skills in the world and he will probably never be one of the best. However, some players take longer than others to grow into that leadership role. I know, I know. Some of you contend that you don\'t learn to be a leader. You think that leaders are born. But, people can learn to be a leader. At least they can learn to be more of a leader.

Also, I think some associate a QB that get\'s up in someone\'s face and yells, and is fiery, with being a leader. Well, there are those types of leaders. There are also those type of QB\'s who\'s act grows old with their teammates. There have also been leaders that lead by example. These leaders were not real vocal guys but they got the job done none-the-less. Just like not all people are alike. Not all leaders are alike.

What I\'m more concerned with Brook\'s is his team mates and them having confidence in him that he can get the job done when the Saints are behind in a game. I beleive Brooks team mates do have confidence in him when things aren\'t going well. I also believe the more adversity a QB goes through the more respect he gains from his team mates.

Just this season alone Brooks has had to endure more critcism than any other player on the Saints team. Actually, I think this has been good for Brooks. After all, most QB\'s go through this at some point in their careers. I think the NFL has ways of humbling a QB and I think their teammates respect the fact that they have to endure the critcism and prove the critics wrong. Brooks seems to be doing exactly that.

[Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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WhoDat · 10-24-2003, 04:13 PM

OK 08, so b/c Joe Horn talks smack about the Panthers\' secondary I\'m supposed to a) believe his trash talk, and b) somehow make the jump for the Panthers\' defense being totally overrated b/c the secondary is not great and therefore Brooks is not a leader?!?!

C\'mon.

saintz08 · 10-24-2003, 05:58 PM

No your not , WhoDat

The following is from PFW :

Carolina

A look at the numbers heading into Week Seven, shows that the Panthers rank in the bottom third of the league in overall yards allowed and in passing yards allowed. No problem, says defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“I care about three things,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Trgovac said. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Third-down percentage, red zone, and I care about points per game. Right now, weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re doing pretty good in all three areas, so I feel pretty good about that. When itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s time to finish a dang game, we need to finish the game. The stats are nice, but I worry about the points and wins and losses.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? As for the bloated stats in yards allowed, Trgovac has a simple explanation. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“If you take a look at our stats, itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s the two-minute stats,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Trgovac says. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“We had Tampa held to 270 total yards, and (Bucs QB) Brad (Johnson) throws us a ball right in our hands, but we drop it. Then they go on and get 86 yards in that drive, then 40 more in overtime. So, it looks like we gave up all these yards, but they got them in the last two minutes. Same thing happened in the Indy game. The Colts had 369 total yards, but 91 of those came in the last two minutes. You take 91 yards away and you hold Peyton Manning to 280 yards and 13 points, youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ve had a good day. ItÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s just the two-minute area where we have to get better.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

I do not question Brooks leadership ability based upon what nobody else has done . But I question it for not being able to do what other have done ......

WhoDat · 10-25-2003, 01:10 PM

You question BROOKS\' LEADERSHIP b/c the TEAM didn\'t put up a lot of yards in the Carolina game? Sorry, 08, but I need a more convincing argument than that. Saintfan is right, there\'s some Kool-Aid involved in this equation.

tweeky · 10-25-2003, 04:30 PM

I think it may be a lot more than Kool-aid this dude is drinking.
I\'m may be a little slow, but your agenda is now coming into focus 20-20 dude!
Give it up !

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-25-2003, 04:44 PM

Hey !! Y\'all take it easy on 08. If everyone tells him he has an agenda then he might realize it!! I don\'t want him to know he\'s wrong. I want him to keep posting all that STUFF. That way when Brooks makes it the the ProBowl this year, he will just have more CROW to eat.

10-23-2003, 10:12 AM	#1
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Leadership project in progress Rebuttal : Leaders generally lead by example , so I find it rather amusing that a person who does not have the ability to live up to his end of a bet should even post on leadership . Honor is a high quality in leadership value , so maybe the addition library time will do you some good . In my opinion you are using a stat that says the panthers defense is ranked 23rd to say your boy Jake is winning without a good defense when in acuallity they are the 3rd best defense in points allowed. Well we know what they say about opinions , now lets look at that defense . Panther pass defense is ranked 29th Falcons pass defense is ranked 28th Brooks could only put up 13 points against a suspect secondary ?? Sounds like you are making excuses . I think that leadership isn\'t only exibited against the top defenses in the league. In my opinion you are doing nothing by trying to further your agenda against Brooks. Panther pass defense is ranked 29th Falcons pass defense is ranked 28th By the way , Jake does not play defense . So there is not way to Discredit Brooks leadership ability or playmaking ability against the 29th ranked pass defense in the league . 13 points against this secondary pretty much does it for itself .
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

10-23-2003, 10:23 AM	#2
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Leadership project in progress 08 -- Honor is a high quality in leadership value You need to learn to honor the TRUTH. The truth is looking you dead in your eyes, but you aren\'t willing to acknowledge the TRUTH. Now, I can play the stat game with you, but you lose everytime. We can talk about physical abilities of Jake and Aaron -- Again you lose. We can talk about any comparision you want between the 2 QB\'s and once again you lose. Now, I understand you love \"JAKE\", but at some point you are gonna have to acknowledge the TRUTH. But I know you probably never will. Just for fun 08 - Tell me what Brooks has to do to win you over? [Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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10-23-2003, 10:24 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Leadership project in progress Jake Delhomme\'s team is one of how many the Saints managed to hold under 20 points 08...in the last how many years? They scored a special teams TD too didn\'t they? How well did Jake do in that game...honestly? By the way, as a spin Doctor you have NO BUSINESS questioning ANYbody\'s honor...none whatsoever. Are you also unaware of the fact that the Carlolina pass rush is regarded by everyone as one of the best in the NFL? This helps mask their less that stellar secondary...as if you didn\'t know that already. ...but you DO know that already. Your agenda is showing 08, and it\'s not very attractive. Cover that shi& up already. Old and Tired...Old and tired...
	C'mon Man...

10-23-2003, 10:42 AM	#4
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Leadership project in progress Jake Delhomme\'s team is one of how many the Saints managed to hold under 20 points 08...in the last how many years? 4 teams this year have held the offense to 20 points or less ?? Thats over 50 % and Jake only played on one of them .
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10-23-2003, 05:47 PM	#5
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Leadership project in progress As far as Brooks and leadership goes, I don\'t think Brooks has the best leadership skills in the world and he will probably never be one of the best. However, some players take longer than others to grow into that leadership role. I know, I know. Some of you contend that you don\'t learn to be a leader. You think that leaders are born. But, people can learn to be a leader. At least they can learn to be more of a leader. Also, I think some associate a QB that get\'s up in someone\'s face and yells, and is fiery, with being a leader. Well, there are those types of leaders. There are also those type of QB\'s who\'s act grows old with their teammates. There have also been leaders that lead by example. These leaders were not real vocal guys but they got the job done none-the-less. Just like not all people are alike. Not all leaders are alike. What I\'m more concerned with Brook\'s is his team mates and them having confidence in him that he can get the job done when the Saints are behind in a game. I beleive Brooks team mates do have confidence in him when things aren\'t going well. I also believe the more adversity a QB goes through the more respect he gains from his team mates. Just this season alone Brooks has had to endure more critcism than any other player on the Saints team. Actually, I think this has been good for Brooks. After all, most QB\'s go through this at some point in their careers. I think the NFL has ways of humbling a QB and I think their teammates respect the fact that they have to endure the critcism and prove the critics wrong. Brooks seems to be doing exactly that. [Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] [Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] [Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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10-24-2003, 04:13 PM	#6
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Leadership project in progress OK 08, so b/c Joe Horn talks smack about the Panthers\' secondary I\'m supposed to a) believe his trash talk, and b) somehow make the jump for the Panthers\' defense being totally overrated b/c the secondary is not great and therefore Brooks is not a leader?!?! C\'mon.
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10-24-2003, 05:58 PM	#7
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Leadership project in progress No your not , WhoDat The following is from PFW : Carolina A look at the numbers heading into Week Seven, shows that the Panthers rank in the bottom third of the league in overall yards allowed and in passing yards allowed. No problem, says defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“I care about three things,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Trgovac said. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Third-down percentage, red zone, and I care about points per game. Right now, weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re doing pretty good in all three areas, so I feel pretty good about that. When itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s time to finish a dang game, we need to finish the game. The stats are nice, but I worry about the points and wins and losses.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? As for the bloated stats in yards allowed, Trgovac has a simple explanation. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“If you take a look at our stats, itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s the two-minute stats,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Trgovac says. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“We had Tampa held to 270 total yards, and (Bucs QB) Brad (Johnson) throws us a ball right in our hands, but we drop it. Then they go on and get 86 yards in that drive, then 40 more in overtime. So, it looks like we gave up all these yards, but they got them in the last two minutes. Same thing happened in the Indy game. The Colts had 369 total yards, but 91 of those came in the last two minutes. You take 91 yards away and you hold Peyton Manning to 280 yards and 13 points, youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ve had a good day. ItÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s just the two-minute area where we have to get better.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? I do not question Brooks leadership ability based upon what nobody else has done . But I question it for not being able to do what other have done ......
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

10-25-2003, 01:10 PM	#8
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Leadership project in progress You question BROOKS\' LEADERSHIP b/c the TEAM didn\'t put up a lot of yards in the Carolina game? Sorry, 08, but I need a more convincing argument than that. Saintfan is right, there\'s some Kool-Aid involved in this equation.
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10-25-2003, 04:30 PM	#9
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Leadership project in progress I think it may be a lot more than Kool-aid this dude is drinking. I\'m may be a little slow, but your agenda is now coming into focus 20-20 dude! Give it up !

10-25-2003, 04:44 PM	#10
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Leadership project in progress Hey !! Y\'all take it easy on 08. If everyone tells him he has an agenda then he might realize it!! I don\'t want him to know he\'s wrong. I want him to keep posting all that STUFF. That way when Brooks makes it the the ProBowl this year, he will just have more CROW to eat.
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