saintz08

Jake Delhomme\'s team is one of how many the Saints managed to hold under 20 points 08...in the last how many years?

4 teams this year have held the offense to 20 points or less ?? Thats over 50 % and Jake only played on one of them .

WhoDat

08 - I\'ve been on your side in this debate more often than not. However, I\'m a little confused by your post.

\"Panther pass defense is ranked 29th
Falcons pass defense is ranked 28th

Brooks could only put up 13 points against a suspect secondary ?? Sounds like you are making excuses.\"

Are you insinuating that Brooks is not a leader b/c he played poorly in the Panthers game? I\'m not judging, just trying to clarify. Also, are you seriously trying to convince us that Carolina\'s defense is as bad as Atlanta\'s? Really?

Again man, I\'m just confused by that last one, b/c normally you make really good points - but if you\'re trying to say that Brooks is not a leader b/c he didn\'t play well against Atlanta an/or attempt to convice us that Carolina\'s D is as bad as Atlanta\'s, well, I can\'t side with you on this one.

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

saintfan

08 is easy to read once the Kool-Aid hangover wears off huh Whodat?

:P

saintz08

Who Dat :

The Panthers secondary has been a little suspect . The Panthers have applied good front pressure til now and not relied on the secondary too much .

Let Horn tell you for himself :

CHARLOTTE — Less than three weeks ago, the New Orleans Saints lost 19-13 to the Carolina Panthers. But that didn’t stop Saints wide receiver Joe Horn from taking a few verbal jabs at one of his all-time favorite targets — the Panthers’ secondary.

After the game Horn told reporters that Carolina’s secondary was “vulnerable� and would be exposed at some point during the season.

“Every year it’s something with him,� Panthers cornerback Terry Cousin said shaking his head in disbelief. “No matter what we do it will always be something. He feels one way about us and he’s never going to change. So we’ll take care of that on Sunday.�

The Panthers weren’t about to get caught up in a war of words with Horn.

“We aren’t going to worry about Joe Horn,� cornerback Reggie Howard said. “We’ll take care of him when we go down to New Orleans. That is all I have to say about it.�

Said strong safety Minter: “I’ll just say this: He’s got us (in the secondary) fired up.�

Cousin said he was “shocked� by Horn’s comments, and suggested that they probably came out of frustration after the loss.

But that doesn’t mean he’s going to let the three-time Pro Bowl receiver off the hook.

“You never forget things like that, so we’re going to see what happens on Sunday,� Cousin said. “He has to go out there and stand behind his word. I’m pretty sure us four in the back will hold him accountable.�


Now wether the Panther secondary steps up to counter Horns comments Sunday is another thought .

But Brooks should have been able to exploit this secondary , in fact if memory serves me well in another post , I picked Brooks to be able to win that game .

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

BillyCarpenter1

As far as Brooks and leadership goes, I don\'t think Brooks has the best leadership skills in the world and he will probably never be one of the best. However, some players take longer than others to grow into that leadership role. I know, I know. Some of you contend that you don\'t learn to be a leader. You think that leaders are born. But, people can learn to be a leader. At least they can learn to be more of a leader.

Also, I think some associate a QB that get\'s up in someone\'s face and yells, and is fiery, with being a leader. Well, there are those types of leaders. There are also those type of QB\'s who\'s act grows old with their teammates. There have also been leaders that lead by example. These leaders were not real vocal guys but they got the job done none-the-less. Just like not all people are alike. Not all leaders are alike.

What I\'m more concerned with Brook\'s is his team mates and them having confidence in him that he can get the job done when the Saints are behind in a game. I beleive Brooks team mates do have confidence in him when things aren\'t going well. I also believe the more adversity a QB goes through the more respect he gains from his team mates.

Just this season alone Brooks has had to endure more critcism than any other player on the Saints team. Actually, I think this has been good for Brooks. After all, most QB\'s go through this at some point in their careers. I think the NFL has ways of humbling a QB and I think their teammates respect the fact that they have to endure the critcism and prove the critics wrong. Brooks seems to be doing exactly that.

[Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

[Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

[Edited on 23/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

WhoDat

OK 08, so b/c Joe Horn talks smack about the Panthers\' secondary I\'m supposed to a) believe his trash talk, and b) somehow make the jump for the Panthers\' defense being totally overrated b/c the secondary is not great and therefore Brooks is not a leader?!?!

C\'mon.

saintz08

No your not , WhoDat

The following is from PFW :

Carolina

A look at the numbers heading into Week Seven, shows that the Panthers rank in the bottom third of the league in overall yards allowed and in passing yards allowed. No problem, says defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac. “I care about three things,� Trgovac said. “Third-down percentage, red zone, and I care about points per game. Right now, we’re doing pretty good in all three areas, so I feel pretty good about that. When it’s time to finish a dang game, we need to finish the game. The stats are nice, but I worry about the points and wins and losses.� As for the bloated stats in yards allowed, Trgovac has a simple explanation. “If you take a look at our stats, it’s the two-minute stats,� Trgovac says. “We had Tampa held to 270 total yards, and (Bucs QB) Brad (Johnson) throws us a ball right in our hands, but we drop it. Then they go on and get 86 yards in that drive, then 40 more in overtime. So, it looks like we gave up all these yards, but they got them in the last two minutes. Same thing happened in the Indy game. The Colts had 369 total yards, but 91 of those came in the last two minutes. You take 91 yards away and you hold Peyton Manning to 280 yards and 13 points, you’ve had a good day. It’s just the two-minute area where we have to get better.�

I do not question Brooks leadership ability based upon what nobody else has done . But I question it for not being able to do what other have done ......

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

WhoDat

You question BROOKS\' LEADERSHIP b/c the TEAM didn\'t put up a lot of yards in the Carolina game? Sorry, 08, but I need a more convincing argument than that. Saintfan is right, there\'s some Kool-Aid involved in this equation.

tweeky

I think it may be a lot more than Kool-aid this dude is drinking.
I\'m may be a little slow, but your agenda is now coming into focus 20-20 dude!
Give it up !

BillyCarpenter1

Hey !! Y\'all take it easy on 08. If everyone tells him he has an agenda then he might realize it!! I don\'t want him to know he\'s wrong. I want him to keep posting all that STUFF. That way when Brooks makes it the the ProBowl this year, he will just have more CROW to eat.