Negative Vibes Abound

darstep · 09-22-2010, 01:37 PM

Sorry SaintsLB, I've got to go the other way on this one. Its because I watched us self destruct so much week in and week out, that I'm calling for a ban on Saints ugly wins and object on the grounds that ugly wins, sooner rather than later, will morph into ugly losses. Why even walk that line? Why live on the edge when its possible put teams away early and remove the possiblilty of bad calls or mis-timed penalties affecting the outcome of the ballgame. If they cross their T's and dot their I's, and tackle as if they've been playing ball since their N.O.R.D. days, they can make it easier on themselves (we'd kind of enjoy it too).

saintfan · 09-22-2010, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by papz

We just played bad football in challenging road conditions(wind played a big factor in the score imo) and we still came away with the win against a decent team with a solid defense.

Conclusion - We're a pretty damn good football team.

You can win big or you can win ugly... it's going to mean 0 difference as long as we get to the playoffs. Tampa, Baltimore, etc. played some ugly UGLY football then they won the Superbowl... so what? We can't expect to go out there and dominate every football game... this isn't peewee league football.

Next up... the Dirty Birds in the Dome.

Disagree. San Francisco should have won that game and would have if they were a more seasoned team. My point is that if we play that way against a team that knows what it's doing more than just a few times we might not even reach the playoffs.

And yes, I know that's drastic, and I certainly believe we are a playoff caliber team and a Super Bowl contender, but I am a bit surprised at the apparent willingness of the majority to simply blow it off. We sucked hard on Monday and got manhandled. I betcha Sean had a few words with the team about tacking and blocking whether he confesses it to the media or not.

papz · 09-22-2010, 02:17 PM

What exactly are you disagreeing about? I said the weather played a factor in the score... and I believe it did. I said whether you dominate or win ugly, you still chalk it up as a win... and it is. I said we played bad football and still won... which is exactly what happened. I said we're a good football team... and I believe we are.

I think it's more or less of you thinking I'm blowing this game off as just one of those games... which in some way, I am. It's one game. Now if this were to become an ongoing trend, then maybe I'd start panicking... but it's one game. We all saw what happened out there... and we all know we're better than that which is why I'm not concerned(at least yet after 1 game).

For me this game just shows me that we're capable of being human and still win football games. Now would I like for the score like this all the time, heck no... but it happens to the best of them.

saintfan · 09-22-2010, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by papz

You can win big or you can win ugly... it's going to mean 0 difference as long as we get to the playoffs.

People keep calling it an ugly win. This one was about poor blocking and tackling. San Francisco let us off the hook. Anybody here think Peyton Manning would?

It isn't like we won in spite of ourselves. San Francisco lost in spite of themselves, and there is a difference.

papz · 09-22-2010, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

People keep calling it an ugly win. This one was about poor blocking and tackling. San Francisco let us off the hook. Anybody here think Peyton Manning would?

Because it was an ugly win... and the poor blocking and tackling made it so. San Fran couldn't capitalize... that's their problem not ours. Would Peyton let us off the hook? Most likely not... but we weren't playing against the Colts and if we were to play against them, I'd expect us to play much better than what we did in San Fran.

It isn't like we won in spite of ourselves. San Francisco lost in spite of themselves, and there is a difference.

In spite of us playing bad football, we made the plays in the end to win the game. You're making it seem like they gave us the win.

st thomas · 09-22-2010, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I'm going to clarify a few things about what DblBogey said in the original post so this thread doesn't fly off course.

Last night we had a good croud in LIVE chat for the game.

Some would jump in to LIVE to chime in with negatives like "chicken little the sky is falling" type stuff. Sometimes it was a joke, others it was just to stir up the pot in there.

The mood got tense in LIVE chat a few times.

No one is naming names or getting called out.

DblBogey is not calling people out nor is he saying anyone is a bandwagon fan for feeling nervous or having doubts at times.

you have said everything i wanted to post halo. plus saying that i had a great time in the live chat monday night. i had a few chevas's going and i really hope i did'nt say bad crap. it was hilarious at times. i am a fan always will be, i'm not going back there to see if i did say anything negative. been there for them sinse 1967. st t

st thomas · 09-22-2010, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Disagree. San Francisco should have won that game and would have if they were a more seasoned team. My point is that if we play that way against a team that knows what it's doing more than just a few times we might not even reach the playoffs.

And yes, I know that's drastic, and I certainly believe we are a playoff caliber team and a Super Bowl contender, but I am a bit surprised at the apparent willingness of the majority to simply blow it off. We sucked hard on Monday and got manhandled. I betcha Sean had a few words with the team about tacking and blocking whether he confesses it to the media or not.

thankyou saintfan for clearing that up. i'm with you on this and it does'nt make you or i a bandwagoneer. we have problems on defense, we don't on offense as long as drew is the cap-e-tan.

pherein · 09-22-2010, 03:37 PM

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The one thing I have noticed is that if the Saints don't have to get points, they don't. Usually we would have wasted the 49ers by taking advantage of the TO's, but we didnt.
But when we absolutely have to get points the Saints always do. The last 2 minute drive looked like the drives we had most of last year. I wonder if something happens differently when the team is desperate for points? Wonder if we are actually playing teams instead of just playing our game? ..I dont know.

saintfan · 09-22-2010, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Because it was an ugly win... and the poor blocking and tackling made it so. San Fran couldn't capitalize... that's their problem not ours. Would Peyton let us off the hook? Most likely not... but we weren't playing against the Colts and if we were to play against them, I'd expect us to play much better than what we did in San Fran.

In spite of us playing bad football, we made the plays in the end to win the game. You're making it seem like they gave us the win.

Ahh, but they DID capitalize. With 2 minutes left on the clock they gashed us severely (as they did for most of the game) and scored (along with a 2pt conversion) in under a minute. Regardless of the outcome that is a problem. They turned the ball over FOUR times and we STILL needed a last ditch drive (that we were fortunate to get and one that we got through no effort on our own and one that a better team won't give us) to eek it out. You may disagree. To each his own. I see a team do that to us and I'm hacked off about it.

We made plays in the end because SF screwed up and left us enough time to do so. A veteran QB and maybe a better HC wouldn't have left that much time on the clock.

And they did give us the win...or let me rephrase. They wrapped it up for us. We did have to open the package. A better team shows us no love a'tall.

Nobody says you have to be upset about how we played. Go right on. I'm pretty hacked off at how we played. We disagree.

papz · 09-22-2010, 03:53 PM

You'll feel much better next week.

09-22-2010, 01:37 PM	#51
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Sorry SaintsLB, I've got to go the other way on this one. Its because I watched us self destruct so much week in and week out, that I'm calling for a ban on Saints ugly wins and object on the grounds that ugly wins, sooner rather than later, will morph into ugly losses. Why even walk that line? Why live on the edge when its possible put teams away early and remove the possiblilty of bad calls or mis-timed penalties affecting the outcome of the ballgame. If they cross their T's and dot their I's, and tackle as if they've been playing ball since their N.O.R.D. days, they can make it easier on themselves (we'd kind of enjoy it too).
	SaintSince67

09-22-2010, 01:54 PM	#52
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by papz We just played bad football in challenging road conditions(wind played a big factor in the score imo) and we still came away with the win against a decent team with a solid defense. Conclusion - We're a pretty damn good football team. You can win big or you can win ugly... it's going to mean 0 difference as long as we get to the playoffs. Tampa, Baltimore, etc. played some ugly UGLY football then they won the Superbowl... so what? We can't expect to go out there and dominate every football game... this isn't peewee league football. Next up... the Dirty Birds in the Dome. Disagree. San Francisco should have won that game and would have if they were a more seasoned team. My point is that if we play that way against a team that knows what it's doing more than just a few times we might not even reach the playoffs. And yes, I know that's drastic, and I certainly believe we are a playoff caliber team and a Super Bowl contender, but I am a bit surprised at the apparent willingness of the majority to simply blow it off. We sucked hard on Monday and got manhandled. I betcha Sean had a few words with the team about tacking and blocking whether he confesses it to the media or not.
	C'mon Man...

09-22-2010, 02:17 PM	#53
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	What exactly are you disagreeing about? I said the weather played a factor in the score... and I believe it did. I said whether you dominate or win ugly, you still chalk it up as a win... and it is. I said we played bad football and still won... which is exactly what happened. I said we're a good football team... and I believe we are. I think it's more or less of you thinking I'm blowing this game off as just one of those games... which in some way, I am. It's one game. Now if this were to become an ongoing trend, then maybe I'd start panicking... but it's one game. We all saw what happened out there... and we all know we're better than that which is why I'm not concerned(at least yet after 1 game). For me this game just shows me that we're capable of being human and still win football games. Now would I like for the score like this all the time, heck no... but it happens to the best of them.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

09-22-2010, 02:49 PM	#54
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by papz You can win big or you can win ugly... it's going to mean 0 difference as long as we get to the playoffs. People keep calling it an ugly win. This one was about poor blocking and tackling. San Francisco let us off the hook. Anybody here think Peyton Manning would? It isn't like we won in spite of ourselves. San Francisco lost in spite of themselves, and there is a difference.

09-22-2010, 03:13 PM	#55
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Originally Posted by saintfan People keep calling it an ugly win. This one was about poor blocking and tackling. San Francisco let us off the hook. Anybody here think Peyton Manning would? Because it was an ugly win... and the poor blocking and tackling made it so. San Fran couldn't capitalize... that's their problem not ours. Would Peyton let us off the hook? Most likely not... but we weren't playing against the Colts and if we were to play against them, I'd expect us to play much better than what we did in San Fran. It isn't like we won in spite of ourselves. San Francisco lost in spite of themselves, and there is a difference. In spite of us playing bad football, we made the plays in the end to win the game. You're making it seem like they gave us the win.

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09-22-2010, 03:20 PM	#56
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by Halo I'm going to clarify a few things about what DblBogey said in the original post so this thread doesn't fly off course. Last night we had a good croud in LIVE chat for the game. Some would jump in to LIVE to chime in with negatives like "chicken little the sky is falling" type stuff. Sometimes it was a joke, others it was just to stir up the pot in there. The mood got tense in LIVE chat a few times. No one is naming names or getting called out. DblBogey is not calling people out nor is he saying anyone is a bandwagon fan for feeling nervous or having doubts at times. you have said everything i wanted to post halo. plus saying that i had a great time in the live chat monday night. i had a few chevas's going and i really hope i did'nt say bad crap. it was hilarious at times. i am a fan always will be, i'm not going back there to see if i did say anything negative. been there for them sinse 1967. st t

09-22-2010, 03:31 PM	#57
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by saintfan Disagree. San Francisco should have won that game and would have if they were a more seasoned team. My point is that if we play that way against a team that knows what it's doing more than just a few times we might not even reach the playoffs. And yes, I know that's drastic, and I certainly believe we are a playoff caliber team and a Super Bowl contender, but I am a bit surprised at the apparent willingness of the majority to simply blow it off. We sucked hard on Monday and got manhandled. I betcha Sean had a few words with the team about tacking and blocking whether he confesses it to the media or not. thankyou saintfan for clearing that up. i'm with you on this and it does'nt make you or i a bandwagoneer. we have problems on defense, we don't on offense as long as drew is the cap-e-tan.

09-22-2010, 03:37 PM	#58
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	info: Are Sean Payton's Offensive Game Plans Slowing Down the New Orleans Saints? \| Bleacher Report Which 2-0 teams for real or just fake? - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN The one thing I have noticed is that if the Saints don't have to get points, they don't. Usually we would have wasted the 49ers by taking advantage of the TO's, but we didnt. But when we absolutely have to get points the Saints always do. The last 2 minute drive looked like the drives we had most of last year. I wonder if something happens differently when the team is desperate for points? Wonder if we are actually playing teams instead of just playing our game? ..I dont know.
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09-22-2010, 03:50 PM	#59
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by papz Because it was an ugly win... and the poor blocking and tackling made it so. San Fran couldn't capitalize... that's their problem not ours. Would Peyton let us off the hook? Most likely not... but we weren't playing against the Colts and if we were to play against them, I'd expect us to play much better than what we did in San Fran. In spite of us playing bad football, we made the plays in the end to win the game. You're making it seem like they gave us the win. Ahh, but they DID capitalize. With 2 minutes left on the clock they gashed us severely (as they did for most of the game) and scored (along with a 2pt conversion) in under a minute. Regardless of the outcome that is a problem. They turned the ball over FOUR times and we STILL needed a last ditch drive (that we were fortunate to get and one that we got through no effort on our own and one that a better team won't give us) to eek it out. You may disagree. To each his own. I see a team do that to us and I'm hacked off about it. We made plays in the end because SF screwed up and left us enough time to do so. A veteran QB and maybe a better HC wouldn't have left that much time on the clock. And they did give us the win...or let me rephrase. They wrapped it up for us. We did have to open the package. A better team shows us no love a'tall. Nobody says you have to be upset about how we played. Go right on. I'm pretty hacked off at how we played. We disagree.
	C'mon Man...

09-22-2010, 03:53 PM	#60
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	You'll feel much better next week.