Maybe we need a new kicker.....

Saint_LB · 09-28-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsFan1967

I agree with danno. We were moving the ball. There D was tired, don't stop pounding them 'til your in the end zone. If you don't make to the end zone and it's 4th down, then kick. This was a hard fought game. And the dirty birds came to play. But we won't underestimate them next time. You can believe dat.

Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it.

fumble
pick
sack
penalties
player injured and out for season
touchdown
kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success

When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on.

One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process.

Danno · 09-28-2010, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it.

fumble (could also happen on kick)

pick (I doubt Brees would force one at that stage of the game))

sack (not a huge diff in 27 and 34 yard FG either)

penalties (could also happen on kick)

player injured and out for season (could also happen on kick or at practice)

touchdown (likely, the way we were driving)

kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success
(which is why I'd rather give Brees 3 tries to win instead of zero).

Comments above in red

cablebandit · 09-28-2010, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it.

fumble
pick
sack
penalties
player injured and out for season
touchdown
kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success

When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on.

One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process.

High percentage chance of a good kick....he did what he should have. He showed confidence in his young kicker which should have helped Hartley. Hartley failed to do his job. Are there any better kickers available? Probably not plus you risk Hartley being picked up by someone else...developing his craft a little more and then facing him again for many years.

Danno · 09-28-2010, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Hate to say it but Falcon fan is right ..kicking the ball was the right choice...Hartley missed a gimme...how hard is that to understand?????

Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already.

I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker.

SaintsFan1967 · 09-28-2010, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already.

I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker.

I agree 100%

09-28-2010, 10:32 AM	#1
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by SaintsFan1967 I agree with danno. We were moving the ball. There D was tired, don't stop pounding them 'til your in the end zone. If you don't make to the end zone and it's 4th down, then kick. This was a hard fought game. And the dirty birds came to play. But we won't underestimate them next time. You can believe dat. Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it. fumble pick sack penalties player injured and out for season touchdown kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on. One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process.
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right!

09-28-2010, 11:20 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,763	Originally Posted by Saint_LB Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it. fumble (could also happen on kick) pick (I doubt Brees would force one at that stage of the game)) sack (not a huge diff in 27 and 34 yard FG either) penalties (could also happen on kick) player injured and out for season (could also happen on kick or at practice) touchdown (likely, the way we were driving) kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success (which is why I'd rather give Brees 3 tries to win instead of zero). Comments above in red

09-28-2010, 12:29 PM	#3
cablebandit Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 76	Originally Posted by Saint_LB Again...hindsight is 20/20. I agree with Payton's call. Here is a list of things that could've happened if we continued to pound it. fumble pick sack penalties player injured and out for season touchdown kick on 3rd or 4th down and face the same odds for success When you kick from that range...it is either good, and we win...or they get the ball from the 20 and the game goes on. One other thing to consider. I'm pretty sure that a majority of coaches would have made the same call as Payton. If you decide against kicking it when it's a chipshot ...then you could be sending a message to your kicker. It could turn a slight mechanics problem into a huge head-case. I really do think that this entered into Payton's thought process. High percentage chance of a good kick....he did what he should have. He showed confidence in his young kicker which should have helped Hartley. Hartley failed to do his job. Are there any better kickers available? Probably not plus you risk Hartley being picked up by someone else...developing his craft a little more and then facing him again for many years.
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09-28-2010, 12:53 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,763	Originally Posted by strato Hate to say it but Falcon fan is right ..kicking the ball was the right choice...Hartley missed a gimme...how hard is that to understand????? Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already. I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker.

09-28-2010, 03:37 PM	#5
SaintsFan1967 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 109	Originally Posted by Danno Because it was 1st down and he missed two this season already. I'll take 3 shots with Brees and then a shot from Hartley over ZERO shots with Brees and one shot from a struggling kicker. I agree 100%
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