Payton's Play Calling

aquaboogie · 10-02-2010, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Drop passes aren't play calling.
Missed blocks aren't play calling.
O-line getting dominated isn't play calling.
I'll advised passes for picks aren't play calling.

Also, defense failing to stop opponents from converting and controlling the clock limiting offensive opportunities.

RaginCajun83 · 10-02-2010, 08:43 AM

For the most part its execution but it sure did look like he left his stones at the 11 last sunday, last year he would of gone for the win and not played the percentages

lumm0x · 10-02-2010, 11:35 AM

The one thing I do think needs to be addressed is the time of possession. We have to find ways of equalizing this. It is one significant thing that is keeping teams alive against us. We have to get off the field on third downs defensively and sustain longer drives when we have the ball.

xan · 10-02-2010, 04:29 PM

My observations are that:

1) after the 1st drive, where all the plays are scripted, it seems like the playcalling gets a bit cute and un-purposeful. There seems more of an effort to be misdirecting than moving toward a score. Not until there is a limited amount of time does the offensive playcalling get more directed.

2) the scheme has not figured out how to deal with a cover 4.

3) the offensive line is not dominating any 4 man front. Brees is forced to check down due to protection issues, not coverage

Danno · 10-02-2010, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by xan

My observations are that:

1) after the 1st drive, where all the plays are scripted, it seems like the playcalling gets a bit cute and un-purposeful. There seems more of an effort to be misdirecting than moving toward a score. Not until there is a limited amount of time does the offensive playcalling get more directed.

2) the scheme has not figured out how to deal with a cover 4.

3) the offensive line is not dominating any 4 man front. Brees is forced to check down due to protection issues, not coverage

Good stuff. I agree.

It seems our best playcalling occurs in the 1st drive or two, and when we're in hurry up. Odd

Everyone thinks we struggle against a 3-4, but so far we're getting our asses handed to us by both. I've read a solid run game will exploit cover 4, but so far our O-line hasn't gotten that message. It appears our opponents have figured that out.

DrewDat · 10-02-2010, 08:00 PM

i think he's going conservative for a reason...payton always has a plan from what i've seen

ScottF · 10-03-2010, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by DrewDat

i think he's going conservative for a reason...payton always has a plan from what i've seen

unfortunately that plan has equated to two games we could have easily lost (to teams a combined 1-5) and another narrow defeat.

We come out blazing that first drive and then seem to go in the tank

CashAndFlash · 10-03-2010, 03:15 PM

Unhappy with the way we played today, so will post my thoughts here:

Drew just doesn't seem to be trying. Every time we have a chance to put the other team away, he just... isn't there. He laid an egg in the biggest game in the franchise's history- NFCCG, and though I agreed with the field goal try last week, I was pissed both because of payton's lack of imagination in the playcalling on the last drive today and Drew's seeming lack of effort. I'm teetering over the edge on the Brees bandwagon, close to falling off, and my foot is starting to slip on payton's.

My heart will always be with the Saints, so please don't question me on that. I just see an offense that, on the whole, always threatens the jugular- and then pulls back. The defense can't bail us out every week. I still think that we at least get to the NFCCG again, but I am really getting discouraged by this team. Our "cutesy" approach won't last forever.

st thomas · 10-03-2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by CashAndFlash

Unhappy with the way we played today, so will post my thoughts here:

Drew just doesn't seem to be trying. Every time we have a chance to put the other team away, he just... isn't there. He laid an egg in the biggest game in the franchise's history- NFCCG, and though I agreed with the field goal try last week, I was pissed both because of payton's lack of imagination in the playcalling on the last drive today and Drew's seeming lack of effort. I'm teetering over the edge on the Brees bandwagon, close to falling off, and my foot is starting to slip on payton's.

My heart will always be with the Saints, so please don't question me on that. I just see an offense that, on the whole, always threatens the jugular- and then pulls back. The defense can't bail us out every week. I still think that we at least get to the NFCCG again, but I am really getting discouraged by this team. Our "cutesy" approach won't last forever.

bandwagoner or not?

Crusader · 10-03-2010, 03:48 PM

The whole offense looks sloppy and uninterested out ther on the field. Watched todays game with a friend who doesn't know a whole lot about football but commented on the body language of the whole group. He thought they looked tired and spent.

Execution is a big big key. 2 fumbles and 7 dropped passes is the difference between 28-14 and 16-14.

10-02-2010, 12:16 AM	#21
aquaboogie 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 196	Originally Posted by Danno Drop passes aren't play calling. Missed blocks aren't play calling. O-line getting dominated isn't play calling. I'll advised passes for picks aren't play calling. Also, defense failing to stop opponents from converting and controlling the clock limiting offensive opportunities.
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10-02-2010, 04:44 PM	#25
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Originally Posted by xan My observations are that: 1) after the 1st drive, where all the plays are scripted, it seems like the playcalling gets a bit cute and un-purposeful. There seems more of an effort to be misdirecting than moving toward a score. Not until there is a limited amount of time does the offensive playcalling get more directed. 2) the scheme has not figured out how to deal with a cover 4. 3) the offensive line is not dominating any 4 man front. Brees is forced to check down due to protection issues, not coverage Good stuff. I agree. It seems our best playcalling occurs in the 1st drive or two, and when we're in hurry up. Odd Everyone thinks we struggle against a 3-4, but so far we're getting our asses handed to us by both. I've read a solid run game will exploit cover 4, but so far our O-line hasn't gotten that message. It appears our opponents have figured that out.

10-03-2010, 10:25 AM	#27
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by DrewDat i think he's going conservative for a reason...payton always has a plan from what i've seen unfortunately that plan has equated to two games we could have easily lost (to teams a combined 1-5) and another narrow defeat. We come out blazing that first drive and then seem to go in the tank

10-03-2010, 03:43 PM	#29
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by CashAndFlash Unhappy with the way we played today, so will post my thoughts here: Drew just doesn't seem to be trying. Every time we have a chance to put the other team away, he just... isn't there. He laid an egg in the biggest game in the franchise's history- NFCCG, and though I agreed with the field goal try last week, I was pissed both because of payton's lack of imagination in the playcalling on the last drive today and Drew's seeming lack of effort. I'm teetering over the edge on the Brees bandwagon, close to falling off, and my foot is starting to slip on payton's. My heart will always be with the Saints, so please don't question me on that. I just see an offense that, on the whole, always threatens the jugular- and then pulls back. The defense can't bail us out every week. I still think that we at least get to the NFCCG again, but I am really getting discouraged by this team. Our "cutesy" approach won't last forever. bandwagoner or not?

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10-02-2010, 08:43 AM	#22
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	For the most part its execution but it sure did look like he left his stones at the 11 last sunday, last year he would of gone for the win and not played the percentages

10-02-2010, 11:35 AM	#23
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	The one thing I do think needs to be addressed is the time of possession. We have to find ways of equalizing this. It is one significant thing that is keeping teams alive against us. We have to get off the field on third downs defensively and sustain longer drives when we have the ball.

10-02-2010, 04:29 PM	#24
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	My observations are that: 1) after the 1st drive, where all the plays are scripted, it seems like the playcalling gets a bit cute and un-purposeful. There seems more of an effort to be misdirecting than moving toward a score. Not until there is a limited amount of time does the offensive playcalling get more directed. 2) the scheme has not figured out how to deal with a cover 4. 3) the offensive line is not dominating any 4 man front. Brees is forced to check down due to protection issues, not coverage

10-02-2010, 08:00 PM	#26
DrewDat DOMEPATROL Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Due To Military Obligation Posts: 479	i think he's going conservative for a reason...payton always has a plan from what i've seen

10-03-2010, 03:15 PM	#28
CashAndFlash Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 30 miles from Paradis Posts: 602 Blog Entries: 1	Unhappy with the way we played today, so will post my thoughts here: Drew just doesn't seem to be trying. Every time we have a chance to put the other team away, he just... isn't there. He laid an egg in the biggest game in the franchise's history- NFCCG, and though I agreed with the field goal try last week, I was pissed both because of payton's lack of imagination in the playcalling on the last drive today and Drew's seeming lack of effort. I'm teetering over the edge on the Brees bandwagon, close to falling off, and my foot is starting to slip on payton's. My heart will always be with the Saints, so please don't question me on that. I just see an offense that, on the whole, always threatens the jugular- and then pulls back. The defense can't bail us out every week. I still think that we at least get to the NFCCG again, but I am really getting discouraged by this team. Our "cutesy" approach won't last forever.

10-03-2010, 03:48 PM	#30
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	The whole offense looks sloppy and uninterested out ther on the field. Watched todays game with a friend who doesn't know a whole lot about football but commented on the body language of the whole group. He thought they looked tired and spent. Execution is a big big key. 2 fumbles and 7 dropped passes is the difference between 28-14 and 16-14.