Fire Reggie Bush as a punt returner

papz · 12-10-2010, 08:55 PM

I don't have a problem with Bush returning punts whatsoever. He just needs more consistency on a return to return basis. As far as Porter is concerned, if only he weren't so fragile, I would definitely LOVE to see him back there as he was a great return man in college. I don't like Moore back there... he just doesn't have that big playmaking ability you look for. I'd like to see Meachem get a shot back there... he's not shifty but he's the type that makes one cut and goes.

Before we even talk about drafting a return man(which I'm not for anyways... dime a dozen), how about we land a good special teams coach first. We have plenty of options already on the roster... and if that person isn't, UDFA or FA would be the way to go for me.

Rugby Saint II · 12-11-2010, 12:48 PM

Did anyone notice the look on Payton's face after Reggie broke his leg. He knew he should not have put Reggie in there for returning that punt. It was windy and our special teamer's can't block the coverage teams. He wasn't concerned about Bush he was pi$$ed off at his decision to play him. Payton is very hard on himself(and his Juicy Fruit gum).

Danno · 12-11-2010, 02:33 PM

I now cringe everytime Bush gets the ball, either on a punt, a run, or a reception.

I have lost almost all faith in Reggie. I'm convinced that he either takes a drastic pay cut, or we simply move on.

He can be replaced.

Beastmode · 12-11-2010, 03:18 PM

Thing that gets me about Reggie is he has made big plays as a return man both amazingly good and horrendously bad. Sometimes in the same game. I know he's a threat but never know for which team. Drives me crazy.

Saintsfan4ever · 12-11-2010, 05:38 PM

I partly blame Reggie for trying to hit a homerun on every return and not focusing on making the catch, but I also blame ST coaching for some of Reggie's blunders. A good ST coach would set some perimeters and guidelines of when to run, when to fair catch, and when to let it go. And he would make sure those guidelines were met. Every Saints' punt return and punt coverage looks like backyard football to me.
IMO, if we're gonna keep McMahorrible as ST coach, then we need to keep a sure handed skill person like Lance fielding punts.

TheOak · 12-13-2010, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I now cringe everytime Bush gets the ball, either on a punt, a run, or a reception.

I have lost almost all faith in Reggie. I'm convinced that he either takes a drastic pay cut, or we simply move on.

He can be replaced.

This +25.
He is back to his old ways, instead of running.

Reggie catches the ball and then this:

SaintsBro · 12-13-2010, 09:00 AM

Just FYI Porter was back there to return that punt against the Bengals because they thought it might be a fake...he'd be there to make a last ditch tackle in that situation

Without wading into the thick swamp of Reggie discussions, I think part of Reggie's problem on punt returns has a LOT to do with the X's and O's and blocking, of which he is getting almost none. Remember when Payton put his hand in to tweak and take charge of special teams during our playoff run last year, the very next week Reggie took one to the house against AZ. You can rag on him for juking/dancing if you want to, but on that one he made an Arizona player slip on his backside just by psyching him out with one of those moves, and he had TONS of great blocking all the way down the field... go watch it on Youtube, watch the blocking, you will see guys attacking Cardinals all over the place, it's like an organized riot! ...But he can't do anything on a punt return if he has 3 guys instantly in his face.

TheOak · 12-13-2010, 09:34 AM

Fair enough but he is bringing in "Play Maker" pay. Not I can run with no one in front of me pay.

Garrett Hartley could take one to the house with enough good blocking.

dizzle88 · 12-13-2010, 11:04 AM

I would say put devery back there seen as he hasn't been involved in the Offense much recently, but i would be more nervous with him back there than reggie. I agree he needs better blocking, but running sideways just doesn't do anything, im expecting reggie to crank the play up soon, he better do to earn how much hes scheduled to make. I'm expecting play like last year vs cardinals in playoffs.

QBREES9 · 12-13-2010, 11:09 AM

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12-10-2010, 08:55 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	I don't have a problem with Bush returning punts whatsoever. He just needs more consistency on a return to return basis. As far as Porter is concerned, if only he weren't so fragile, I would definitely LOVE to see him back there as he was a great return man in college. I don't like Moore back there... he just doesn't have that big playmaking ability you look for. I'd like to see Meachem get a shot back there... he's not shifty but he's the type that makes one cut and goes. Before we even talk about drafting a return man(which I'm not for anyways... dime a dozen), how about we land a good special teams coach first. We have plenty of options already on the roster... and if that person isn't, UDFA or FA would be the way to go for me.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

12-11-2010, 03:18 PM	#14
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Thing that gets me about Reggie is he has made big plays as a return man both amazingly good and horrendously bad. Sometimes in the same game. I know he's a threat but never know for which team. Drives me crazy.
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12-11-2010, 05:38 PM	#15
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	I partly blame Reggie for trying to hit a homerun on every return and not focusing on making the catch, but I also blame ST coaching for some of Reggie's blunders. A good ST coach would set some perimeters and guidelines of when to run, when to fair catch, and when to let it go. And he would make sure those guidelines were met. Every Saints' punt return and punt coverage looks like backyard football to me. IMO, if we're gonna keep McMahorrible as ST coach, then we need to keep a sure handed skill person like Lance fielding punts.
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12-13-2010, 07:37 AM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Originally Posted by Danno I now cringe everytime Bush gets the ball, either on a punt, a run, or a reception. I have lost almost all faith in Reggie. I'm convinced that he either takes a drastic pay cut, or we simply move on. He can be replaced. This +25. He is back to his old ways, instead of running. Reggie catches the ball and then this:

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12-11-2010, 12:48 PM	#12
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Did anyone notice the look on Payton's face after Reggie broke his leg. He knew he should not have put Reggie in there for returning that punt. It was windy and our special teamer's can't block the coverage teams. He wasn't concerned about Bush he was pi$$ed off at his decision to play him. Payton is very hard on himself(and his Juicy Fruit gum).

12-11-2010, 02:33 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	I now cringe everytime Bush gets the ball, either on a punt, a run, or a reception. I have lost almost all faith in Reggie. I'm convinced that he either takes a drastic pay cut, or we simply move on. He can be replaced.

12-13-2010, 09:00 AM	#17
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Just FYI Porter was back there to return that punt against the Bengals because they thought it might be a fake...he'd be there to make a last ditch tackle in that situation Without wading into the thick swamp of Reggie discussions, I think part of Reggie's problem on punt returns has a LOT to do with the X's and O's and blocking, of which he is getting almost none. Remember when Payton put his hand in to tweak and take charge of special teams during our playoff run last year, the very next week Reggie took one to the house against AZ. You can rag on him for juking/dancing if you want to, but on that one he made an Arizona player slip on his backside just by psyching him out with one of those moves, and he had TONS of great blocking all the way down the field... go watch it on Youtube, watch the blocking, you will see guys attacking Cardinals all over the place, it's like an organized riot! ...But he can't do anything on a punt return if he has 3 guys instantly in his face.

12-13-2010, 09:34 AM	#18
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Fair enough but he is bringing in "Play Maker" pay. Not I can run with no one in front of me pay. Garrett Hartley could take one to the house with enough good blocking.

12-13-2010, 11:04 AM	#19
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	I would say put devery back there seen as he hasn't been involved in the Offense much recently, but i would be more nervous with him back there than reggie. I agree he needs better blocking, but running sideways just doesn't do anything, im expecting reggie to crank the play up soon, he better do to earn how much hes scheduled to make. I'm expecting play like last year vs cardinals in playoffs.