So where would you rank...

BlackandBlue · 11-12-2003, 04:25 PM

...these three linebackers, as far as greatness is concerned?

Rickey Jackson
Randy Gradishar
Harry Carson

JOESAM2002 · 11-12-2003, 05:04 PM

Just the way you have them there.

P.S. Please put my quote back to it\'s original splendor. :P

BlackandBlue · 11-12-2003, 05:25 PM

P.S. Please put my quote back to it\'s original splendor.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no! :P

saint5221 · 11-12-2003, 05:52 PM

Yea I like them just as you have them aswell. But I am biased on the subject so I might be giving Ricky the nod over Gradishar because I watched him play a lot more, and come on he was a Saint.
I never was much of a Bronco Fan and did\'nt watch them as much. I remember Gradishar was an ironman stud and was considered one of the best LB in the game back in the orange Crush days. I went back and looked and his numbers are pretty impressive.
Carson was a monster who smacked the hell out of people,but he was so overshawdowed by LT and having Banks back there with him made him better for sure. I\'m sure some would make the same argument about Ricky, but like I said I\'m biased.

BlackandBlue · 11-12-2003, 07:07 PM

Consider this- Gradishar and Carson both survived the HoF cut today, Jackson did not. Think there is a bias? The Cowboys have been claiming that there is one against them for years, and rightfully so. I don\'t expect the Saints to have very many HoF members, but Jackson is the exception.

saint5221 · 11-12-2003, 08:18 PM

I was wondering what the point of this was, turned out to be a pretty good one. With a losing tradition as embeded as the Saints it may be hard for our players to get the respect they deserve. I have to believe canton will one day come calling on the Jackson house.It would be a travesty if they didn\'t.

BROOKSISBANKS · 11-13-2003, 04:02 PM

Your kidding right? Noone loves Ricky as much as me, hell I have a jersey of his, but come on!

Dick Butkus
Mike Singletary
Lawrence Taylor

are certainly better lbs than Ricky. Ricky was good, no question. But he doesn\'t belong with these guys.

BlackandBlue · 11-13-2003, 07:08 PM

Sure did miss you, George, glad to see your back.

Oh, and last time I checked, those weren\'t the only linebackers in the HoF- if it were, then your argument might hold water because it would be an extremely elitist group. However, you have the following:

Bobby Bell (also DE) 1963-1974
Nick Buoniconti 1962-1974, 1976
Dick Butkus 1965-1973
George Connor (also DT, OT) 1948-1955
Bill George 1952-1966
Jack Ham 1971-1982
Ted Hendricks 1969-1983
Sam Huff 1956-1967, 1969
Jack Lambert 1974-1984
Willie Lanier 1967-1977
Ray Nitschke 1958-1972
Joe Schmidt 1953-1965
Mike Singletary 1981-1992
Lawrence Taylor 1981-1993
Dave Wilcox 1964-1974

[Edited on 14/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]

billybignuts · 11-14-2003, 08:55 PM

Im a huge Mike Singletary fan, but his stats are not even close to Rickey Jackson\'s. Mike Singletary had only 19 sacks in his entire career, Jackson had 128. Rickey Jackson is also 2nd on the all time fumble recovery list with a career total of 28 recoveries. Singletary was a great player, but he benefited from playing with a team with a legacy. Rickey Jackson definitely belongs in the hall of fame, its a damn shame that he isnt there already.

11-12-2003, 04:25 PM	#1
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	So where would you rank... ...these three linebackers, as far as greatness is concerned? Rickey Jackson Randy Gradishar Harry Carson

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JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	So where would you rank... Just the way you have them there. P.S. Please put my quote back to it\'s original splendor. :P

11-12-2003, 05:25 PM	#3
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	So where would you rank... P.S. Please put my quote back to it\'s original splendor. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no! :P

11-12-2003, 05:52 PM	#4
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	So where would you rank... Yea I like them just as you have them aswell. But I am biased on the subject so I might be giving Ricky the nod over Gradishar because I watched him play a lot more, and come on he was a Saint. I never was much of a Bronco Fan and did\'nt watch them as much. I remember Gradishar was an ironman stud and was considered one of the best LB in the game back in the orange Crush days. I went back and looked and his numbers are pretty impressive. Carson was a monster who smacked the hell out of people,but he was so overshawdowed by LT and having Banks back there with him made him better for sure. I\'m sure some would make the same argument about Ricky, but like I said I\'m biased.
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11-12-2003, 07:07 PM	#5
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	So where would you rank... Consider this- Gradishar and Carson both survived the HoF cut today, Jackson did not. Think there is a bias? The Cowboys have been claiming that there is one against them for years, and rightfully so. I don\'t expect the Saints to have very many HoF members, but Jackson is the exception.

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saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	So where would you rank... I was wondering what the point of this was, turned out to be a pretty good one. With a losing tradition as embeded as the Saints it may be hard for our players to get the respect they deserve. I have to believe canton will one day come calling on the Jackson house.It would be a travesty if they didn\'t.
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11-13-2003, 04:02 PM	#7
BROOKSISBANKS Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14	So where would you rank... Your kidding right? Noone loves Ricky as much as me, hell I have a jersey of his, but come on! Dick Butkus Mike Singletary Lawrence Taylor are certainly better lbs than Ricky. Ricky was good, no question. But he doesn\'t belong with these guys.
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11-13-2003, 07:08 PM	#8
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	So where would you rank... Sure did miss you, George, glad to see your back. Oh, and last time I checked, those weren\'t the only linebackers in the HoF- if it were, then your argument might hold water because it would be an extremely elitist group. However, you have the following: Bobby Bell (also DE) 1963-1974 Nick Buoniconti 1962-1974, 1976 Dick Butkus 1965-1973 George Connor (also DT, OT) 1948-1955 Bill George 1952-1966 Jack Ham 1971-1982 Ted Hendricks 1969-1983 Sam Huff 1956-1967, 1969 Jack Lambert 1974-1984 Willie Lanier 1967-1977 Ray Nitschke 1958-1972 Joe Schmidt 1953-1965 Mike Singletary 1981-1992 Lawrence Taylor 1981-1993 Dave Wilcox 1964-1974 [Edited on 14/11/2003 by BlackandBlue]
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11-14-2003, 08:55 PM	#9
billybignuts 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 157	So where would you rank... Im a huge Mike Singletary fan, but his stats are not even close to Rickey Jackson\'s. Mike Singletary had only 19 sacks in his entire career, Jackson had 128. Rickey Jackson is also 2nd on the all time fumble recovery list with a career total of 28 recoveries. Singletary was a great player, but he benefited from playing with a team with a legacy. Rickey Jackson definitely belongs in the hall of fame, its a damn shame that he isnt there already.
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