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TheOak 12-28-2010 06:02 AM

Apologies to Pierre Thomas
 
Not sure if you read these forums, but if you do, great game. All heart! I never doubted your skill, just your heart.... And for that I apologize.

Stay healthy, I am looking forward to seeing you do it to Atlanta again!


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skymike 12-28-2010 06:43 AM

Are you kidding, X-T*****s? Pierre made the NFL because of his heart. Remember, Antonio Pittman was supposed to be the star, Pierre was supposed to be a camp body? Pierre outhustled and outhearted the star. Look at that big first down he made in the NFC title game last year.

The only thing I doubted was his health, because he sure takes some hits some times. And you cant help your health.

Good to see PT cruising. Couldnt happen to a nicer guy.

Choupique 12-28-2010 07:21 AM

Pierre is the man.

If it took this game for Pierre to open your eyes you've been sleeping or dead. Welcome back.

Anyone calling for him to be cut isn't a real fan. Sorry. You'll have to move to MinnieSooota, Fudgepacker land or Cinci. Take your pick.

subguy 12-28-2010 07:24 AM

I have to say I am a PT fan all of the way...I was kinda quiet while folks were doubting the guy, but even though his health can be frustrating he for the most part seems to deliver game in game out, the same cannot be said for Reggie.

Choupique 12-28-2010 07:27 AM

If we line up the entire team on one side of the field and reggie on the other the opposing team would triple cover him.

If we line up Pierre on one side of the field and the entire team on the other side the opposing team would single cover him.

It is hard being great when you're double teamed from jump street.

How soon some of you turn on our players and coaches. Some of you must be LSU fans.

CashAndFlash 12-28-2010 07:30 AM

Pt's heart is rivaled in size only by that of brees.

subguy 12-28-2010 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 273814)
If we line up the entire team on one side of the field and reggie on the other the opposing team would triple cover him.

If we line up Pierre on one side of the field and the entire team on the other side the opposing team would single cover him.

It is hard being great when you're double teamed from jump street.

How soon some of you turn on our players and coaches. Some of you must be LSU fans.

Huh?

skymike 12-28-2010 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 273814)
If we line up the entire team on one side of the field and reggie on the other the opposing team would triple cover him.
...

wow, choupique, strangely, I agree with you. There's always 3 guys on Reggie.

Im a fan of both Reggie and Pierre.

TheOak 12-28-2010 07:55 AM

In my Defense.... For what it is worth... In answer to "where have I been?"

The exact location would be Lagos Nigeria for 4 of the last 6 seasons. Saw nearly no games, had to rely on internet post game scores....

His heart was questioned due to the rumors of him holding out for pay in the middle of a season. I voiced my opinion, I was wrong, I publicly apologized. I will take what ever I have coming to me.:doh:

QBREES9 12-28-2010 08:02 AM

PT need a little WD40 to get those wheels rolling. Pay The Man !!!!

foreverfan 12-28-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 273805)
Pierre is the man.

If it took this game for Pierre to open your eyes you've been sleeping or dead. Welcome back.

Anyone calling for him to be cut isn't a real fan. Sorry. You'll have to move to MinnieSooota, Fudgepacker land or Cinci. Take your pick.

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niteadept 12-28-2010 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 273869)
Thanks for saying what ive been trying to say..Reggie needs a paycut sure we all know that..but he is valuable to the team ..he sucks the whole defense up..if the O-Line would learn how to run block..our backs would have have 100 yard games every week...Ivory just makes holes..

What he said:airguitar:

And sooooo glad PT is showing to the doubters that his heart remains in New Orleans.

TheOak 12-28-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 273805)
Pierre is the man.

If it took this game for Pierre to open your eyes you've been sleeping or dead. Welcome back.

Anyone calling for him to be cut isn't a real fan. Sorry. You'll have to move to MinnieSooota, Fudgepacker land or Cinci. Take your pick.

BTW.... Blow me for that reply.:bng:

Saintswrath 12-28-2010 10:49 AM

P.T has been Drew's man and if we didn't have one or the other i believe 2009 didn't happen.

CashAndFlash 12-28-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Saintswrath (Post 273962)
P.T has been Drew's man and if we didn't have one or the other i believe 2009 didn't happen.

I agree

darstep 12-28-2010 12:08 PM

PT follows his blockers better than the rest. He has good vision and runs strong through weak tackles. PT gives Drew and the offense options and is the only TRUE play action back in the lineup. Its good to see Thomas getting back into form.

neugey 12-28-2010 12:13 PM

It took awhile for the PT Cruiser to get out of first gear, but it was great to see him make some tough runs and big plays as the game wore on. Maybe he's not quite 100% but it looks like he's mostly there now. Welcome back.

Danno 12-28-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 273825)
wow, choupique, strangely, I agree with you. There's always 3 guys on Reggie.

Im a fan of both Reggie and Pierre.

Mike, which plays last night had 3 Falcons on Reggie?

CashAndFlash 12-28-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 274067)
Mike, which plays last night had 3 Falcons on Reggie?

Danno, I usually agree with you, but I think you're off the mark here. Reggie may not literally have 3 guys on him at all times, but there's usually at least 2, with a third waiting to pounce.

Danno 12-28-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CashAndFlash (Post 274077)
Danno, I usually agree with you, but I think you're off the mark here. Reggie may not literally have 3 guys on him at all times, but there's usually at least 2, with a third waiting to pounce.

Which plays were those? I'm just curious because maybe I don't know what a true double or triple team looks like.

From what I saw last night he was never triple teamed, and I really can't remember when he was even double teamed. I saw a DB follow him when he went in motion, but thats not a double team.

Point to a play or two so I can educate myself. It shouldn't be hard if it was done on every play.

I'll rewatch tonight to see all of those double and triple teams I must have missed.

CashAndFlash 12-28-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 274081)
Which plays were those? I'm just curious because maybe I don't know what a true double or triple team looks like.

From what I saw last night he was never triple teamed, and I really can't remember when he was even double teamed. I saw a DB follow him when he went in motion, but thats not a double team.

Point to a play or two so I can educate myself. It shouldn't be hard if it was done on every play.

I'll rewatch tonight to see all of those double and triple teams I must have missed.

I didn't get a chance to see the game last night, but it's obvious in person. I doubt you'll be able to tell just by watching on TV.

Danno 12-28-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CashAndFlash (Post 274085)
I didn't get a chance to see the game last night, but it's obvious in person. I doubt you'll be able to tell just by watching on TV.

You mean you can't tell if a RB is triple teamed on TV?

Hmm, thats a head scratcher.

So I wonder... if he's truly tripleteamed on every play, why in the world would he ever come out of the game? His mere presence gives you a two-man advantage everwhere else. He can't get hurt being a decoy. So why doesn't he play every down?

papz 12-28-2010 02:35 PM

I did miss bits and pieces of the game here and there but... from what I did catch, even when Reggie motioned out on a couple of plays, there was no shadow on him. Now while the safeties and OLB did look his way, he was not doubled or assigned a spy... they just ran their defense. Colston on the other hand typically had a safety over the top and well covered. Once again though... I did miss a few series here and there.

While most teams typically give Reggie extra attention, I find that it wasn't the case last night.

CashAndFlash 12-28-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 274091)
You mean you can't tell if a RB is triple teamed on TV?

Hmm, thats a head scratcher.

So I wonder... if he's truly tripleteamed on every play, why in the world would he ever come out of the game? His mere presence gives you a two-man advantage everwhere else. He can't get hurt being a decoy. So why doesn't he play every down?

That I can't answer. But I do know the average pass play when he's in goes for around 15 yards and only 5 when he's out. So he attracts a he'll of a lot of attention.

Danno 12-28-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 274094)
Reggie usually draws a LB with him...thats what he did on both Jimmy Graham's cluth catches..Watch the highlights..

Drawing "a" LB is single coverage, not triple.

Danno 12-28-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 274099)
I didnt say triple ..he had some decent plays last night...but some were a failure from the start..it wasnt all his fault..I still think he is not at full speed...when he got tackled by the foot last night ..showed me he is not all the way back..Reggie would normally break that with his speed...i dont know you be the judge...but he aint 100% ...lets see what he does come playoff time..

My comments have nothing to do with wether he made some good plays or not. My comments address the notion that he's always triple teamed, which based on what I see is totally incorrect.

Cory9289 12-28-2010 03:13 PM

It's all about playing your part, and at least Reggie is willing to do it. That block last night was a huge boost for me.

Danno 12-28-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cory9289 (Post 274110)
It's all about playing your part, and at least Reggie is willing to do it. That block last night was a huge boost for me.

Is this what its come to? A blitz pick up?

Are we really heaping praise on an 8 million dollar RB because he blocked a blitzing LB right in front of him?

And what about the other two players? What did he do to them?

Danno 12-28-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 274113)
A RB that is being paid what he is due by contract...thats the end of it...next year we will see what happens ..until then just accept it and move on..i mean what the hell can we do about it?...

If he's being triple teamed every play then he's damn sure is worth the 12 million dollars he's due next season.

So if he's triple teamed on every play, and the other team blitzes, that leaves only 3 defenders to cover Moore, Colston, Meachem, Evans and Graham.

Thats at least two players left totally uncovered on every play. Dayum, no wonder Brees is so awesome. :p

skymike 12-28-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 274081)
Which plays were those? I'm just curious because maybe I don't know what a true double or triple team looks like.

From what I saw last night he was never triple teamed, and I really can't remember when he was even double teamed. I saw a DB follow him when he went in motion, but thats not a double team.

Point to a play or two so I can educate myself. It shouldn't be hard if it was done on every play.

I'll rewatch tonight to see all of those double and triple teams I must have missed.

How do you know who was keying on whom, Danno Defensive Coordinator? Isnt the idea to disguise your intentions? I can plainly see when Reggie touches the ball, three players pop up out of the woodwork.

You tell us which plays did they not have three guys watching Reggie.

I'll go back and watch game film tonight, and proceed to read their minds thru their helmets.

subguy 12-28-2010 03:30 PM

Sorry to start the Reggie controversy again.......

Cory9289 12-28-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 274112)
Is this what its come to? A blitz pick up?

Are we really heaping praise on an 8 million dollar RB because he blocked a blitzing LB right in front of him?

And what about the other two players? What did he do to them?

I'm not saying he's worth it. But the 8 mil thing is the last resort of Reggie shunners. Looking at college, who wouldn't have signed him to that.

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 274116)
If he's being triple teamed every play then he's damn sure is worth the 12 million dollars he's due next season.

So if he's triple teamed on every play, and the other team blitzes, that leaves only 3 defenders to cover Moore, Colston, Meachem, Evans and Graham.

Thats at least two players left totally uncovered on every play. Dayum, no wonder Brees is so awesome. :p

He's not exactly triple teams. ALTHOUGH, 3-4 players will shift to Reggie's side. This let's Brees know coverage, and gives leverage to the WR. Imo, Brees has deeper throws with Bush out there.

Danno 12-28-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 274118)
How do you who was keying on whom, Danno Defensive Coordinator? Isnt the idea to disguise your intentions? I know when Reggie touches the ball, three players pop up out of the woodwork.

You tell us which plays did they not have three guys watching Reggie.

I'll go back and watch game film tonight, and proceed to read their minds thru their helmets.

If a guy is triple teamed on every play, you can usually see three defenders on the guy. Thats not difficult to see. You don't need to read minds to see that. And conversely, how do you know they're triple teaming him? Are you reading their minds?

Did you mean to say he draws a triple team in defenders minds? Kinda like a previous player who owned defenders with his eyes?

The Reggie exaggerations are getting a bit out of hand. He's a decent scat-back, and teams pay attention to scat-backs who go in motion. Reggie isn't any different. This triple teamed on every play is nonsense.

skymike 12-28-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 274129)
If a guy is triple teamed on every play, you can usually see three defenders on the guy. ...

so... would that be the 3 guys who usually tackle him?

I've gradutated from SR. Im not doing that silly back and forth thing.

you can have the last word.

saintfan 12-28-2010 03:41 PM

I sense a thread that is soon to die...

Danno 12-28-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 274133)
so... would that be the 3 guys who usually tackle him?

I've gradutated from SR. Im not doing that silly back and forth thing.

you can have the last word.

So now if 3 guys swarm a player after he catches the ball, thats triple teamed?

I thought that was simply a defense swarming to the ball.

And what does being an SR grad have to do with triple teaming Reggie Bush?

BTW: Did you guys notice PT was triple teamed all game as well?

CashAndFlash 12-28-2010 03:53 PM

Like I said. 15 yard average when he's in, 5 when he's out. That's worth several million right there. I was a Reggie doubted until I read that stat.

I can't speak to pt's game yesterday, but I have yet to see him play with anything less than a lion's heart.

Cory9289 12-28-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CashAndFlash (Post 274143)
Like I said. 15 yard average when he's in, 5 when he's out. That's worth several million right there. I was a Reggie doubted until I read that stat.

I can't speak to pt's game yesterday, but I have yet to see him play with anything less than a lion's heart.

Bout sums it up right there.

Danno 12-28-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CashAndFlash (Post 274143)
Like I said. 15 yard average when he's in, 5 when he's out. That's worth several million right there. I was a Reggie doubted until I read that stat.

I'd like to see that stat. I'm curious about that, especially since we average more points with him out of the line-up than in the line-up (but that was earlier this year).

If he truly adds 10 yards per play merely by being in the game he's 10 times more valuable than Drew Bress could ever be.

Cory9289 12-28-2010 04:02 PM

Most big name QB's make there mojo happen when they decode the defense. Putting Bush in motion does it more than any other RB.


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