Roby to IR.

UK_WhoDat · 12-30-2010, 04:28 PM

PT still on the Kick Off returns then

Rugby Saint II · 12-30-2010, 06:41 PM

I could easily see Reggie doing kick returns.....my only concern is how well he'll field the kick. He's dangerous in space and it could pay off.

Danno · 12-30-2010, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I could easily see Reggie doing kick returns.....my only concern is how well he'll field the kick. He's dangerous in space and it could pay off.

Or not.

Over the last 2 years Reggie averages 5.4 yards per punt return.

That doesn't place him in the top 50 punt returners in the entire NFL.

Another Reggie myth. He sucks as a punt returner too.

saintfan · 12-30-2010, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Or not.

Over the last 2 years Reggie averages 5.4 yards per punt return.

That doesn't place him in the top 50 punt returners in the entire NFL.

Another Reggie myth. He sucks as a punt returner too.

What do our other punt returners average? I'm wondering not because I want to defend Reggie but because to be honest I think our blocking on punt returns sucks balls.

Danno · 12-30-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

What do our other punt returners average? I'm wondering not because I want to defend Reggie but because to be honest I think our blocking on punt returns sucks balls.

Lance averages 10.2, which ranks him 28th in the NFL and nearly double what twinkle toes averages.

Stats: NFL Punt Returners - CBSSports.com

But what do I know, maybe he gets triple teamed on his punt returns too.

saintfan · 12-30-2010, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Lance averages 10.2, which ranks him 28th in the NFL and nearly double what twinkle toes averages.

Stats: NFL Punt Returners - CBSSports.com

But what do I know, maybe he gets triple teamed on his punt returns too.

There are variables Danno. How many returns for scores between the two? There are tons of variables that we could argue to infinity.

To be honest the pointing out every negative thing you can think of about Reggie stuff smells a lot like the times when everybody would point out everything negative thing they could think of about Aaron Brooks. It isn't an honest assessment of the player or the game.

MatthewT · 12-30-2010, 07:24 PM

I personally like the idea of Reggie returning kicks. PT is okay but really lacks the explosiveness. The playoffs started last Monday against Atlanta, no point in holding back now...

Danno · 12-30-2010, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

There are variables Danno. How many returns for scores between the two? There are tons of variables that we could argue to infinity.

To be honest the pointing out every negative thing you can think of about Reggie stuff smells a lot like the times when everybody would point out everything negative thing they could think of about Aaron Brooks. It isn't an honest assessment of the player or the game.

Reggie has zero TD's over the last 2 years also. And only 4 total TD's in five years.

Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints, NFL - CBSSports.com Football

I really don't know how else to evaluate his punt return skills other than return average. To me thats the proof in the pudding. If it was simply a 4 or 5 game average it can certainly be skewed and/or misleading, but we're talking about 5 years worth of stats.

I DO NOT HAVE AN ANTI-BUSH AGENDA, I only want people to put aside the exaggerations and biases and view him for what he really is.

Is there really a justification for averaging 5.3 yards per punt return over two years? How can those stats be skewed?

saintfan · 12-30-2010, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Reggie has zero TD's over the last 2 years also. And only 4 total TD's in five years.

Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints, NFL - CBSSports.com Football

I really don't know how else to evaluate his punt return skills other than return average. To me thats the proof in the pudding. If it was simply a 4 or 5 game average it can certainly be skewed and/or misleading, but we're talking about 5 years worth of stats.

I DO NOT HAVE AN ANTI-BUSH AGENDA, I only want people to put aside the exaggerations and biases and view him for what he really is.

Is there really a justification for averaging 5.3 yards per punt return over two years? How can those stats be skewed?

Didn't he run one back last year against Arizona, or am I smoking crack?

As for me, I don't have any biased views on him at all. I think his salary needs to be reduced, but I also believe he brings a unique problem to teams trying to defend him.

I do think he sometimes costs himself yards trying to break big gains on returns, but my opinion is based more on what I hear people like Drew and Sean say about his skills and what he means to the offense rather than stats.

If you watch the linebacker on the playbook link posted here a day or so ago when Reggie goes in motion, he moves a couple steps in the direction of the motion, otherwise he stays home, but he's looking at Reggie when the ball is snapped. We got a first down and a TD on that play.

Are there other players who might garner this kind of attention? Probably, but if we have one on the roster I don't know who he is. I think this is the kind of thing Sean is talking about when he speaks about what Reggie brings to the table. He hasn't broken many this year but he CAN, and defenses have to account for that.

breesfan27 · 12-30-2010, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Didn't he run one back last year against Arizona, or am I smoking crack?

Yes, he had a punt return last year in the NFC Divisional game.

12-30-2010, 06:53 PM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I could easily see Reggie doing kick returns.....my only concern is how well he'll field the kick. He's dangerous in space and it could pay off. Or not. Over the last 2 years Reggie averages 5.4 yards per punt return. That doesn't place him in the top 50 punt returners in the entire NFL. Another Reggie myth. He sucks as a punt returner too.

12-30-2010, 07:03 PM	#24
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno Or not. Over the last 2 years Reggie averages 5.4 yards per punt return. That doesn't place him in the top 50 punt returners in the entire NFL. Another Reggie myth. He sucks as a punt returner too. What do our other punt returners average? I'm wondering not because I want to defend Reggie but because to be honest I think our blocking on punt returns sucks balls.

12-30-2010, 07:06 PM	#25
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by saintfan What do our other punt returners average? I'm wondering not because I want to defend Reggie but because to be honest I think our blocking on punt returns sucks balls. Lance averages 10.2, which ranks him 28th in the NFL and nearly double what twinkle toes averages. Stats: NFL Punt Returners - CBSSports.com But what do I know, maybe he gets triple teamed on his punt returns too.

12-30-2010, 07:20 PM	#26
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno Lance averages 10.2, which ranks him 28th in the NFL and nearly double what twinkle toes averages. Stats: NFL Punt Returners - CBSSports.com But what do I know, maybe he gets triple teamed on his punt returns too. There are variables Danno. How many returns for scores between the two? There are tons of variables that we could argue to infinity. To be honest the pointing out every negative thing you can think of about Reggie stuff smells a lot like the times when everybody would point out everything negative thing they could think of about Aaron Brooks. It isn't an honest assessment of the player or the game.

12-30-2010, 07:28 PM	#28
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by saintfan There are variables Danno. How many returns for scores between the two? There are tons of variables that we could argue to infinity. To be honest the pointing out every negative thing you can think of about Reggie stuff smells a lot like the times when everybody would point out everything negative thing they could think of about Aaron Brooks. It isn't an honest assessment of the player or the game. Reggie has zero TD's over the last 2 years also. And only 4 total TD's in five years. Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints, NFL - CBSSports.com Football I really don't know how else to evaluate his punt return skills other than return average. To me thats the proof in the pudding. If it was simply a 4 or 5 game average it can certainly be skewed and/or misleading, but we're talking about 5 years worth of stats. I DO NOT HAVE AN ANTI-BUSH AGENDA, I only want people to put aside the exaggerations and biases and view him for what he really is. Is there really a justification for averaging 5.3 yards per punt return over two years? How can those stats be skewed?

12-30-2010, 04:28 PM	#21
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	I could easily see Reggie doing kick returns.....my only concern is how well he'll field the kick. He's dangerous in space and it could pay off.

12-30-2010, 07:24 PM	#27
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	I personally like the idea of Reggie returning kicks. PT is okay but really lacks the explosiveness. The playoffs started last Monday against Atlanta, no point in holding back now...

12-30-2010, 08:31 PM	#29
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno Reggie has zero TD's over the last 2 years also. And only 4 total TD's in five years. Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints, NFL - CBSSports.com Football I really don't know how else to evaluate his punt return skills other than return average. To me thats the proof in the pudding. If it was simply a 4 or 5 game average it can certainly be skewed and/or misleading, but we're talking about 5 years worth of stats. I DO NOT HAVE AN ANTI-BUSH AGENDA, I only want people to put aside the exaggerations and biases and view him for what he really is. Is there really a justification for averaging 5.3 yards per punt return over two years? How can those stats be skewed? Didn't he run one back last year against Arizona, or am I smoking crack? As for me, I don't have any biased views on him at all. I think his salary needs to be reduced, but I also believe he brings a unique problem to teams trying to defend him. I do think he sometimes costs himself yards trying to break big gains on returns, but my opinion is based more on what I hear people like Drew and Sean say about his skills and what he means to the offense rather than stats. If you watch the linebacker on the playbook link posted here a day or so ago when Reggie goes in motion, he moves a couple steps in the direction of the motion, otherwise he stays home, but he's looking at Reggie when the ball is snapped. We got a first down and a TD on that play. Are there other players who might garner this kind of attention? Probably, but if we have one on the roster I don't know who he is. I think this is the kind of thing Sean is talking about when he speaks about what Reggie brings to the table. He hasn't broken many this year but he CAN, and defenses have to account for that.
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12-30-2010, 10:06 PM	#30
breesfan27 Mrs. Drew Brees Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Who Dat Nation (by way of South Dakota) Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by saintfan Didn't he run one back last year against Arizona, or am I smoking crack? Yes, he had a punt return last year in the NFC Divisional game.