Wildcard weekend lineup proves need for playoff changes

arsaint · 01-05-2011, 01:03 AM

I've noticed the sports media picking up on this topic, but they only mentioned the Saints as being victims of the current seeding.

Have they not bothered to look at the other 3 wildcard games?

It is not just a fluke affecting the Saints - it could be said to be affecting all 4 wildcard games...

skymike · 01-05-2011, 06:23 AM

I just dont think of us as victims, Ark. We should have taken care of business. Hows the weather in AR?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-05-2011, 06:50 AM

I'll repeat what I posted in another thread. I really don't have a problem with division winners hosting a game. I have a problem with wildcards not having the opportunity to be reseeded after winning a playoff game or two.

Consider the 11-5 Saints this year with the second best conference record. No problem with them playing in Seattle. No problem with them playing on the road against a bye team. But if they win those two games, they should host a conference championship against everyone except the Falcons. Those two playoff wins should give them the opportunity to reseed against all comers.

That would keep everyone in the game for the regular season because even if you are a wildcard, if you have a great record, you have a realistic chance to host the championship game should you get that far.

That would balance out the division thing, because then a better record would have meaning if you get far enough to earn it.

SFIAH

Euphoria · 01-05-2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I'll repeat what I posted in another thread. I really don't have a problem with division winners hosting a game. I have a problem with wildcards not having the opportunity to be reseeded after winning a playoff game or two.

Consider the 11-5 Saints this year with the second best conference record. No problem with them playing in Seattle. No problem with them playing on the road against a bye team. But if they win those two games, they should host a conference championship against everyone except the Falcons. Those two playoff wins should give them the opportunity to reseed against all comers.

That would keep everyone in the game for the regular season because even if you are a wildcard, if you have a great record, you have a realistic chance to host the championship game should you get that far.

That would balance out the division thing, because then a better record would have meaning if you get far enough to earn it.

SFIAH

Now that I can agree with... The team with the best record host the NFC game. Re-seed after the playoff round with the best record hosting the NFC game.

Budsdrinker · 01-05-2011, 11:45 AM

Well if it is Saints against Packers in NFC Championship it will be in the dome, so there is still hope of a home game.

neugey · 01-05-2011, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by arsaint

As I said in another thread, if it were me...

Top 2 seeds (based on records and tiebreakers, not on division winners) get byes.

Other 4 seeded by record, but keep the division winners in the playoffs no matter their record is. Also use head-head on teams tied (ie Philly - GB) instead of seeding the division winner higher...

For this year it would be:

#1 Falcons 13-3
#2 Saints 11-5 (9-3 in NFC)
#3 Bears 11-5 (8-4 in NFC)
#4 Packers 10-6 (beat Eagles)
#5 Eagles 10-6
#6 NFC West winner

Agreed. This is exactly how it should be done.

skymike · 01-05-2011, 07:02 PM

Noog, what in the hell is that thing?

arsaint · 01-08-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

I just dont think of us as victims, Ark. We should have taken care of business. Hows the weather in AR?

Snow predicted this weekend, but I'll believe it when I see it...

I finally saw where someone pointed out that it is not just the Saints that are the ones making the seeding look flawed. Not much a fan of AS - he tends to almost always go agains us, but here it is...

On to this week's 10 spot:

1. Don't blame Seattle: Criticism showered on Seattle for playing host to a wild-card game Saturday despite becoming the first NFL team to make the playoffs with a 7-9 record should be shared. Never has the NFL playoff seeding system looked so flawed. There will not be any postseason matchups this weekend in which the home team has a better record than the road team. The 11-5 Jets play at the 10-6 Colts, the 12-4 Ravens play at the 10-6 Chiefs, the 11-5 Saints will play at the 7-9 Seahawks and the 10-6 Packers will play at the 10-6 Eagles. If the NFL ever needed an incentive to re-evaluate its playoff seeding system, this would be it.

'http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&page=10spot/10wildcard

UK_WhoDat · 01-08-2011, 02:23 PM

Saints are not the victims here. No one is because everyone complied with the rules.

However I have sympathy for Oakland with their divisional 6-0 record and I have sympathy for for Giants / Tampa with their 8-4 conference record.

01-05-2011, 06:50 AM	#43
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	I'll repeat what I posted in another thread. I really don't have a problem with division winners hosting a game. I have a problem with wildcards not having the opportunity to be reseeded after winning a playoff game or two. Consider the 11-5 Saints this year with the second best conference record. No problem with them playing in Seattle. No problem with them playing on the road against a bye team. But if they win those two games, they should host a conference championship against everyone except the Falcons. Those two playoff wins should give them the opportunity to reseed against all comers. That would keep everyone in the game for the regular season because even if you are a wildcard, if you have a great record, you have a realistic chance to host the championship game should you get that far. That would balance out the division thing, because then a better record would have meaning if you get far enough to earn it. SFIAH
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01-05-2011, 10:16 AM	#44
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I'll repeat what I posted in another thread. I really don't have a problem with division winners hosting a game. I have a problem with wildcards not having the opportunity to be reseeded after winning a playoff game or two. Consider the 11-5 Saints this year with the second best conference record. No problem with them playing in Seattle. No problem with them playing on the road against a bye team. But if they win those two games, they should host a conference championship against everyone except the Falcons. Those two playoff wins should give them the opportunity to reseed against all comers. That would keep everyone in the game for the regular season because even if you are a wildcard, if you have a great record, you have a realistic chance to host the championship game should you get that far. That would balance out the division thing, because then a better record would have meaning if you get far enough to earn it. SFIAH Now that I can agree with... The team with the best record host the NFC game. Re-seed after the playoff round with the best record hosting the NFC game.

01-05-2011, 11:57 AM	#46
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Originally Posted by arsaint As I said in another thread, if it were me... Top 2 seeds (based on records and tiebreakers, not on division winners) get byes. Other 4 seeded by record, but keep the division winners in the playoffs no matter their record is. Also use head-head on teams tied (ie Philly - GB) instead of seeding the division winner higher... For this year it would be: #1 Falcons 13-3 #2 Saints 11-5 (9-3 in NFC) #3 Bears 11-5 (8-4 in NFC) #4 Packers 10-6 (beat Eagles) #5 Eagles 10-6 #6 NFC West winner Agreed. This is exactly how it should be done.

01-08-2011, 12:50 PM	#48
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,705	Originally Posted by skymike I just dont think of us as victims, Ark. We should have taken care of business. Hows the weather in AR? Snow predicted this weekend, but I'll believe it when I see it... I finally saw where someone pointed out that it is not just the Saints that are the ones making the seeding look flawed. Not much a fan of AS - he tends to almost always go agains us, but here it is... On to this week's 10 spot: 1. Don't blame Seattle: Criticism showered on Seattle for playing host to a wild-card game Saturday despite becoming the first NFL team to make the playoffs with a 7-9 record should be shared. Never has the NFL playoff seeding system looked so flawed. There will not be any postseason matchups this weekend in which the home team has a better record than the road team. The 11-5 Jets play at the 10-6 Colts, the 12-4 Ravens play at the 10-6 Chiefs, the 11-5 Saints will play at the 7-9 Seahawks and the 10-6 Packers will play at the 10-6 Eagles. If the NFL ever needed an incentive to re-evaluate its playoff seeding system, this would be it. 'http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&page=10spot/10wildcard

01-05-2011, 01:03 AM	#41
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,705	I've noticed the sports media picking up on this topic, but they only mentioned the Saints as being victims of the current seeding. Have they not bothered to look at the other 3 wildcard games? It is not just a fluke affecting the Saints - it could be said to be affecting all 4 wildcard games...

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01-05-2011, 06:23 AM	#42
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	I just dont think of us as victims, Ark. We should have taken care of business. Hows the weather in AR?

01-05-2011, 11:45 AM	#45
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Well if it is Saints against Packers in NFC Championship it will be in the dome, so there is still hope of a home game.

01-05-2011, 07:02 PM	#47
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Noog, what in the hell is that thing?

01-08-2011, 02:23 PM	#49
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Saints are not the victims here. No one is because everyone complied with the rules. However I have sympathy for Oakland with their divisional 6-0 record and I have sympathy for for Giants / Tampa with their 8-4 conference record.