Are we missing Grant???
 

Was Charles Grant really that important to our pressure? Maybe I need to re-evaluate my criticism of him. Him getting double teamed so much, might be why Will Smith had a pro-bowl season last year? Without pressure up front, our secondary is getting abused. Alex Brown hasn't been what I thought he would be. He is getting pushed around by 3 year tackles one on one. Heck, with his play making ability, I think Charleston should be starting anyway. I don't know. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

alex brown stain is terrible. Ellis is actually playing pretty good. i agree we need another DE very badly. we also need a LB badly. we have people but they stay hurt. i dont understand how we have so many people that get hurt. i said it before but our team is made of glass. really frustrating to watch

Brown is better than Grant, or at least as good as. He's had a decent year.

Yeah, but the turnovers... That's what's frustrating me. We killed teams, on the t.o.d., last year, and I just can't figure out what is so different, that we aren't making big plays on defense this year. I will admit, there have been ALOT, of dropped ints, that would have changed many an outcome, but 17 plus, to - 5? That's a BIG change.

We need a RB that can play 19 games.

People keep saying Ingram, but I just don't see him being there, when we pick. How about Trent Richardson? Will he be coming out this year?

Alex brown is better than grant but he still ain't nothing special, charleston gets less reps and makes more plays than Alex brown. Maybe we will see junior in there next year, we need to address the position in the draft anyway.

We're the Number 1 ranked defense in the NFC and 4th best defense in the entire NFL.

They aren't figuring out squat.

On our Christmas wish list definitely should be starting upgrades at LDE, SLB and WLB. Upgrade Brown, Dunbar/Clark and Shanle and we have a killer defense. I like all those guys for the depth, but we are only as good as our weakest link.

We're 16th against the run, and it certainly isn't Browns fault totally. Our OLB's suck, and we played some solid run teams this year.

Brown's done OK this year.

And Porter and Greer have not been abused all year.

16th allowing 112.3 yards per game average

The defense is much better this year than last year. The only difference is the lack of turnovers or actually the ability to hold on to the ball. We have had several dropped INT chances and just like the Dallas game the defense forced 5 fumbles and we didn't recover a single one. Last year we also benefited by playing against several rookie QB's whereas we only played against 2 this year and what happened in those games turnovers. Now another to consider in the turnover ratio is Drew has thrown 12 more pics than last year too.

So when you say "getting abused all year" you really mean the last few weeks?

OK, gotcha.

we're 4th in pass defense, allowing 193.9 yards a game. Porter & Greer + the rest of the secondary can't be doing too bad or we would be ranked way lower...

I hate to say it but Greer got owned by two rookies at WR for Tampa bay, and mike Williams in Seattle. I love the guy but he needs to step up, porter seems to be sometimes one step behind alot always is just chasing after the catch is made. They are great, but not playing up to their potential.

True, I'm a bit surprised by all the exaggerations. Its starting to feel like SR.com

No we are not missing Charles Grant. The Falcons passed on him after we released him. The Bears tried him out as well and after one game, they released him. The reason the Saints are not getting turnovers this year is because the Saints went from being the 25th ranked defense last season to being the 4th ranked defense this season. They are not getting turnovers because they are getting a lot more three and outs from opposing teams, which functions the same way as a turnover.

Too many games the Qb looks very comfortable in the pocket. Even when we blitz there isn't enough pressure. When you have this problem corner backs tend to get embarrassed a lot. Ever notice that when opposing QBs do have run out of the pocket the only one chasing them is Will Smith?

Like this, but the three and outs functioning like a turnover would be better if they were mostly converted to 6 pts. I don't have a problem with 3 n out, but I do have a problem when our offense doesn't make the most of it. Best of both worlds - defense holds them to 3 and out or pick 6 and then when offense is on the field, we get another 6. Will Smith should continue pretending the offense is his wife. That way he can't be charged and someone else takes his wrath.:eek:

This. It's kind of sad as he once was a pretty solid football player... now he's fallen off the face of the earth. Wherever he may be now, I'm pretty sure his bank account is still fat and he's eating really well.

Maybe, but is he still able to feed his kids?

Charles grant SUCKED.. and i hope he never puts on another Saints Jersey.

I Gained further disgust for him when he began saying a bunch of junk in the media about joining the Failcons just to teach us a lesson for dumping him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he went all out and told his hometown team (Failcons) all they needed to know about Sean Payton's Offense just in spite.

I never could figure out the difference between a 3-out and a turnover, other than field position and momentum.

The only place we are missing Grant is in the chicken wing eating contest.

:whatever:

i dont think he is even playing, so ill say no

Wow I never thought I read a Post like this do we miss Chrles Grant. Is even playing in the league.

Listen...we have our problems just like other teams. our d is good enough to keep us in games. the main problem is we are playing with our 3rd string sometime. yea we have depth but depth only can hold you over. we have rb that are soft. bush goes down if someone touches him, pt has been hurt all year and ivory is a sissy. jones is absolute garbage. 1/2 of our d line performs. 1/3 of our LB core shows up. no cb in the league can cover someone all day. and to bring up charles grant?!?!? i havent heard his name since i heard he got paid 3 years ago. they didnt call his name 1 time the last year he played because he was invisible. our turnover ratio stat is so stupid because brees has thrown more int that he ever has in his life because we have people with the likes of deshawn freaking wynn running the ball.

My thoughts exactly. It is the Saints offense that is the problem, not the defense. The defense has held opponents to an average of 19 points per game which is a nice improvement over 21 points per game last season. The real problem - and let's be frank here - is Drew Brees' recent propensity to throw interceptions at just the wrong time. Also, we've been having fumblitis near or in the red zone all season long it seems like. I really hope and pray that the Saints are on top of this ball security issue against the Seahawks, because I think too many people here are greatly underestimating the Seahawks.

I think another thing to consider is this: corners are going to be beaten from time to time. In fact, our corners have been no worse than most of the league's and in most cases, they've been better. The Saints have, after all, the 4th ranked pass defense and the Saints have one of the very best red zone defenses in the league - constantly forcing field goal attempts as opposed to giving up touchdowns. And that is an extremely significant metric to judge a pass defense. And quite frankly, Mike Williams of Tampa Bay has been burning good corners all year. Our corners did basically shut down Matt Ryan the other night, or did I miss that? They also shut down two-time Super Bowl winner Pig Pen.

I actually would say we miss Grant from a pressure standpoint. He was a way bigger guy than Brown and even thou he didn't get sacks he did a better job at colapsing the pocket forcing QBs to throw while moving/running which lessens accuracy and leads to INTs. Also when the QB gets pressure and starts to move that increases the chance to sack him since rushing lanes changes for the defence, as an OL myself i know it creates problems when the defender starts movin in a different direction.

However run D seems to be doing better this year but I would give Ellis and Ayodele crdit for that rather that saying it was thanks to Brown.

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This is all Charles grant ever wanted, once he got it, he stopped playing almost immediately.. He had to feed his kids, i guess the stripper kids too he made it rain on in all those clubs droppin 30,000 and 40,000 in each joint.

We are way better off today without Grant than with him.

I can't even imagine why this is a real question? Grant was over-rated and more hype. Sure there were high hope and even promises he made that he couldn't deliver! Broken promises is all he was.

He really wasn't a pass rushing DE either... he was more of a run stopper only. I'd put my grandmother in at DE if I need to get to the QB on a certain play. FYI she's pretty quick actually for an 86 year old.

Dude we have 2 good CB's. It's tough to keep tight coverage when there's no pass rush.

NO

charles grant was with the bears for week 5 and 6 then was cut and with miami before that who also cut him. he even had a two game stint with omaha of the united league. hes 425 by now any bets. i have confidence in our defense this saturday. hasselbeck will try and throw his arm off to beat us; so drew will have a huge passing day to stay ahead of the hawks. thats my thinking and sticking to it.

Dang... he's been hanging with Sullivan?