Saints Draft

Danno · 03-05-2011, 02:20 PM

I wouldn't be shocked or upset if we see two DE's picked in our draft.

I fully expect DE/DT/OLB to be addressed, and maybe two picks at one of those positions.

papz · 03-06-2011, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Papz, I like the guy's ability, but is he a small defensive end for our 4-3 set?

We've got investment in guys like Jonathan Vilma, Sedrick Ellis, Will Smith who or 4-3 guys; so do we start going the other way to a 3-4?

Plus I want my R1, R2 and early R3 starting within a year of being drafted; would he just be a situational pass rusher?

Personally, I like the 3-4 defense; then again, I was a teenager/early adult when we had the greatest linebacking corps of all time...time...time

It looks like he's a tweener that can play with his hand on the ground or up outside. While the 4-3 is considered our base defense, we do a variation of everything in our defense. In doing so I don't think this will shy us away from taking any particular player. Another thing is that projections are exactly what they are... projections. Sedrick Ellis was projected to be more effective in a 3-4 and Glen Dorsey in a 4-3. I usually take those things with a grain of salt. I do think he'll only be a situational pass rusher at first... taking a couple of years(if we do draft him) to get on the field full time. But... who knows how he's going to develop. As you are, I also am a big fan of the 3-4.

jeanpierre · 03-06-2011, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by papz

It looks like he's a tweener that can play with his hand on the ground or up outside. While the 4-3 is considered our base defense, we do a variation of everything in our defense. In doing so I don't think this will shy us away from taking any particular player. Another thing is that projections are exactly what they are... projections. Sedrick Ellis was projected to be more effective in a 3-4 and Glen Dorsey in a 4-3. I usually take those things with a grain of salt. I do think he'll only be a situational pass rusher at first... taking a couple of years(if we do draft him) to get on the field full time. But... who knows how he's going to develop. As you are, I also am a big fan of the 3-4.

Funny you mention Dorsey; rumors coming out again about the Chiefs trading him so they can have someone who's a better fit for their 3-4...

saintsfan1976 · 03-07-2011, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by papz

It looks like he's a tweener that can play with his hand on the ground or up outside. While the 4-3 is considered our base defense, we do a variation of everything in our defense. In doing so I don't think this will shy us away from taking any particular player. Another thing is that projections are exactly what they are... projections. Sedrick Ellis was projected to be more effective in a 3-4 and Glen Dorsey in a 4-3. I usually take those things with a grain of salt. I do think he'll only be a situational pass rusher at first... taking a couple of years(if we do draft him) to get on the field full time. But... who knows how he's going to develop. As you are, I also am a big fan of the 3-4.

Great point and great find, Papz. When I read "compared most to Clay Matthews", I get chills. Many of us wanted him as a Saint - now we see what an impact that type of guy can make - let's go get one!! Casey Matthews, anyone??

So, we're thinking BPA in all three rounds of either DT, DE or OLB? I could live with that.

Danno · 03-07-2011, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Great point and great find, Papz. When I read "compared most to Clay Matthews", I get chills. Many of us wanted him as a Saint - now we see what an impact that type of guy can make - let's go get one!! Casey Matthews, anyone??
.

We may already have that guy on our roster. He was raw, but has a season under his belt now in GW's system and according to Gregg he's put on weight and not lost a step, and improved a lot over the season. He goes by Junya!!!

Casey is slower and smaller than his brother and much less athletic. He's an ILB, probably in a 3-4. Think Alfred Fincher, but a little faster.

jeanpierre · 03-08-2011, 10:23 PM

Strong Safety is definitely a priority...

Blitz and Glam "My One-On-One Interview with New Orleans Saints SS Roman Harper"

Maybe he can go and play for the Redskins or Cowboys or Eagles...

Danno · 03-09-2011, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Strong Safety is definitely a priority...

Blitz and Glam "My One-On-One Interview with New Orleans Saints SS Roman Harper"

Maybe he can go and play for the Redskins or Cowboys or Eagles...

I hope not, he's one of our best defensive players. Not a good idea to get rid of good players.

saintsfan1976 · 03-09-2011, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

We may already have that guy on our roster. He was raw, but has a season under his belt now in GW's system and according to Gregg he's put on weight and not lost a step, and improved a lot over the season. He goes by Junya!!!

Casey is slower and smaller than his brother and much less athletic. He's an ILB, probably in a 3-4. Think Alfred Fincher, but a little faster.

Ah, yes... Junya!! Honestly, I don't remember much from him last season. Could he be our new DE/OLB? Or, just another Usama Young??

Casey is an inch shorter, 10lbs lighter and .10sec slower than Clay was coming out of college. My guess is that he didn't "juice" the way Clay did... Regardless, the kid makes plays, gets to the QB and chases down RB's. I could see him growing to an ideal WLB in the nfl.

jeanpierre · 03-10-2011, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I hope not, he's one of our best defensive players. Not a good idea to get rid of good players.

Danno, brother, He Can't Cover...

Remember the Pass Interference Calls Against the Bears and Devin Hester?

Remember Sam Bradford Catching him From Behind?

Remember the Seattle Playoff Game?

He Can't Cover...

We Need A Strong Safety Who Can Cover Tight End's at the very least...

We Need a Strong Safety Who Can Blitz faster than a Linebacker...

Danno · 03-11-2011, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Danno, brother, He Can't Cover...

Remember the Pass Interference Calls Against the Bears and Devin Hester?

Remember Sam Bradford Catching him From Behind?

Remember the Seattle Playoff Game?

He Can't Cover...

We Need A Strong Safety Who Can Cover Tight End's at the very least...

We Need a Strong Safety Who Can Blitz faster than a Linebacker...

He covered TE's well all season.

The Hester call was what, 3 years ago, 4 years ago?

He ran out of gas againt Bradford. He played a fantastic game up to that point and was spent.

He was fooled in the Seattle game, twice. No excuses, he had a bad game, as did everyone else on defense that day.

He's received more game balls from Gregg Williams than any player on defense.

I'll repeat...

He's received more game balls from Gregg Williams than any player on defense.

He covers EXACTLY like an NFL Strong Safety, and until the playoff game was on a short list of Saints Defensive MVP.

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03-06-2011, 08:32 AM	#212
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,802	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Papz, I like the guy's ability, but is he a small defensive end for our 4-3 set? We've got investment in guys like Jonathan Vilma, Sedrick Ellis, Will Smith who or 4-3 guys; so do we start going the other way to a 3-4? Plus I want my R1, R2 and early R3 starting within a year of being drafted; would he just be a situational pass rusher? Personally, I like the 3-4 defense; then again, I was a teenager/early adult when we had the greatest linebacking corps of all time...time...time It looks like he's a tweener that can play with his hand on the ground or up outside. While the 4-3 is considered our base defense, we do a variation of everything in our defense. In doing so I don't think this will shy us away from taking any particular player. Another thing is that projections are exactly what they are... projections. Sedrick Ellis was projected to be more effective in a 3-4 and Glen Dorsey in a 4-3. I usually take those things with a grain of salt. I do think he'll only be a situational pass rusher at first... taking a couple of years(if we do draft him) to get on the field full time. But... who knows how he's going to develop. As you are, I also am a big fan of the 3-4.
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03-06-2011, 08:55 AM	#213
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz It looks like he's a tweener that can play with his hand on the ground or up outside. While the 4-3 is considered our base defense, we do a variation of everything in our defense. In doing so I don't think this will shy us away from taking any particular player. Another thing is that projections are exactly what they are... projections. Sedrick Ellis was projected to be more effective in a 3-4 and Glen Dorsey in a 4-3. I usually take those things with a grain of salt. I do think he'll only be a situational pass rusher at first... taking a couple of years(if we do draft him) to get on the field full time. But... who knows how he's going to develop. As you are, I also am a big fan of the 3-4. Funny you mention Dorsey; rumors coming out again about the Chiefs trading him so they can have someone who's a better fit for their 3-4...

03-07-2011, 08:34 AM	#214
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,103 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by papz It looks like he's a tweener that can play with his hand on the ground or up outside. While the 4-3 is considered our base defense, we do a variation of everything in our defense. In doing so I don't think this will shy us away from taking any particular player. Another thing is that projections are exactly what they are... projections. Sedrick Ellis was projected to be more effective in a 3-4 and Glen Dorsey in a 4-3. I usually take those things with a grain of salt. I do think he'll only be a situational pass rusher at first... taking a couple of years(if we do draft him) to get on the field full time. But... who knows how he's going to develop. As you are, I also am a big fan of the 3-4. Great point and great find, Papz. When I read "compared most to Clay Matthews", I get chills. Many of us wanted him as a Saint - now we see what an impact that type of guy can make - let's go get one!! Casey Matthews, anyone?? So, we're thinking BPA in all three rounds of either DT, DE or OLB? I could live with that.

03-07-2011, 08:59 AM	#215
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Great point and great find, Papz. When I read "compared most to Clay Matthews", I get chills. Many of us wanted him as a Saint - now we see what an impact that type of guy can make - let's go get one!! Casey Matthews, anyone?? . We may already have that guy on our roster. He was raw, but has a season under his belt now in GW's system and according to Gregg he's put on weight and not lost a step, and improved a lot over the season. He goes by Junya!!! Casey is slower and smaller than his brother and much less athletic. He's an ILB, probably in a 3-4. Think Alfred Fincher, but a little faster.

03-05-2011, 02:20 PM	#211
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	I wouldn't be shocked or upset if we see two DE's picked in our draft. I fully expect DE/DT/OLB to be addressed, and maybe two picks at one of those positions.

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03-09-2011, 07:50 AM	#217
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Strong Safety is definitely a priority... Blitz and Glam "My One-On-One Interview with New Orleans Saints SS Roman Harper" Maybe he can go and play for the Redskins or Cowboys or Eagles... I hope not, he's one of our best defensive players. Not a good idea to get rid of good players.

03-09-2011, 08:14 AM	#218
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,103 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno We may already have that guy on our roster. He was raw, but has a season under his belt now in GW's system and according to Gregg he's put on weight and not lost a step, and improved a lot over the season. He goes by Junya!!! Casey is slower and smaller than his brother and much less athletic. He's an ILB, probably in a 3-4. Think Alfred Fincher, but a little faster. Ah, yes... Junya!! Honestly, I don't remember much from him last season. Could he be our new DE/OLB? Or, just another Usama Young?? Casey is an inch shorter, 10lbs lighter and .10sec slower than Clay was coming out of college. My guess is that he didn't "juice" the way Clay did... Regardless, the kid makes plays, gets to the QB and chases down RB's. I could see him growing to an ideal WLB in the nfl.

03-10-2011, 11:38 PM	#219
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Danno I hope not, he's one of our best defensive players. Not a good idea to get rid of good players. Danno, brother, He Can't Cover... Remember the Pass Interference Calls Against the Bears and Devin Hester? Remember Sam Bradford Catching him From Behind? Remember the Seattle Playoff Game? He Can't Cover... We Need A Strong Safety Who Can Cover Tight End's at the very least... We Need a Strong Safety Who Can Blitz faster than a Linebacker...

03-11-2011, 07:33 AM	#220
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,761	Originally Posted by jeanpierre Danno, brother, He Can't Cover... Remember the Pass Interference Calls Against the Bears and Devin Hester? Remember Sam Bradford Catching him From Behind? Remember the Seattle Playoff Game? He Can't Cover... We Need A Strong Safety Who Can Cover Tight End's at the very least... We Need a Strong Safety Who Can Blitz faster than a Linebacker... He covered TE's well all season. The Hester call was what, 3 years ago, 4 years ago? He ran out of gas againt Bradford. He played a fantastic game up to that point and was spent. He was fooled in the Seattle game, twice. No excuses, he had a bad game, as did everyone else on defense that day. He's received more game balls from Gregg Williams than any player on defense. I'll repeat... He's received more game balls from Gregg Williams than any player on defense. He covers EXACTLY like an NFL Strong Safety, and until the playoff game was on a short list of Saints Defensive MVP.