Our Running Game

dizzle88 · 01-13-2011, 10:31 AM

First and foremost i'd like someone to educate me;

- Did we release Lynell Hamilton once he went on IR, or will he be back next season. i can still remember week 16 2009 vs bucs, Lynell ran all over all them and had a pretty decent game. If he is able to get back to full strength after recovering this season, i'd love to see that guy back.

- If Hamilton isn't returning who would you guys rather get, a Young workhorse out of the draft that can handle lets say 200 carries a season (in our offense, thats abit realistic i think)

Or

Go after Deangelo williams, i have often thought that this guy still has alot left and lets be real - He burns us every single time we play the panthers, this past season 60 yard TD, 2009 2nd play of the game 70 yard TD.

Obviously i would love to see both Pierre and Reggie come back, if the reports on reggie are honest then he is willing to take a pay cut to get an extension with us (wow you've grown up since 2006 draft reggie)

I think we have to keep Ivory, the guy has durability issues but i think that was just the impact going from very limited playing time at college to basically full time starter at the NFL, its a huge jump and it may have taken its toll.
He will most likely work on his durability during the offseason, if so the guy will be amazing.

Pierre is the complete back, i think he's vital to our Offense and i love to see that guy play, i don't think we can let him go. With all the stuff that went on between him and Coach payton, i don't know where he stands at the minute but i believe we need to be fair with him - Don't give him absurd money, but give him the money he deserves - I mean remember how he played all the way through 2009 and in the playoffs, he was electric.

Tell me what you think everyone!

Danno · 01-13-2011, 10:36 AM

I'd go after Williams, but I wouldn't break the bank for him.

I can't help but think how last year would have gone if we'd signed Tomlinson, who many claimed had nothing left in the tank.

dizzle88 · 01-13-2011, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'd go after Williams, but I wouldn't break the bank for him.

I can't help but think how last year would have gone if we'd signed Tomlinson, who many claimed had nothing left in the tank.

Exactly Danno,

Brees vouched for Tomlinson, that should of been proof enough that the guy still had some left.
Look what he's done with the jets, the guy looked reborn in their running game.

Euphoria · 01-13-2011, 11:31 AM

I am a believer that we should keep a revolving door attitude on a lot of players...

Keep Fresh blood coming in and get them out the door just to keep excitment and the fire going.

PT is one of the players I think we need and should part ways with. I seriously don't see him in a Saints uniform next season.

papz · 01-13-2011, 11:40 AM

Look what he's done with the jets, the guy looked reborn in their running game.

For half a season. That said, he was healthy and could have definitely helped us in the playoffs. Highsight is 20/20... who knew we'd have so many health issues. Had he been here, who knew if we'd ever discover Ivory.

Budsdrinker · 01-13-2011, 12:36 PM

Our running game starts with Payton. He's got to be committed to running the ball 25 times a game no matter what. Every back in the league has some minimal or negative runs during a game but that is no reason to abandon the run and yes I know our swing passes are an extension of the run but you still need traditional handoffs to sell the play action passes. With the current issues with the CBA it will be hard to go after FA but we just might have the RB's already on the team. If we can resign PT and a restructured Bush (sounds strange), we will also have Hamilton, Hill, Ivory and the new pick up Bell. If all healthy we should have the backs to compete, we just need to be committed to the run. Also we need our OL to do a better job up front. I'm more into looking for an upgrade at tackles than running back.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2011, 12:43 PM

Injuries killed the running game.

Lynell had a history of knee problems before coming to NO. Will he return?
Ivory was a small school back who Payton probably didn't plan on even using this season. He'll still be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart next year.
PT is a versatile back that excels in Payton's system. If he's healthy, why not have him return??
Still like to see Reggie back at a price that the team can live with.
PJ Hill.... Is he the guy?

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2011, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Our running game starts with Payton. He's got to be committed to running the ball 25 times a game no matter what. Every back in the league has some minimal or negative runs during a game but that is no reason to abandon the run and yes I know our swing passes are an extension of the run but you still need traditional handoffs to sell the play action passes. With the current issues with the CBA it will be hard to go after FA but we just might have the RB's already on the team. If we can resign PT and a restructured Bush (sounds strange), we will also have Hamilton, Hill, Ivory and the new pick up Bell. If all healthy we should have the backs to compete, we just need to be committed to the run. Also we need our OL to do a better job up front. I'm more into looking for an upgrade at tackles than running back.

Tough to commit to the run when your top two rushers are injured.
Tough for the O line to block for small school RB's, practice squad players and waiver wire "has beens" - unless your o line is incredible.

Budsdrinker · 01-13-2011, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Tough to commit to the run when your top two rushers are injured.
Tough for the O line to block for small school RB's, practice squad players and waiver wire "has beens" - unless your o line is incredible.

I don't buy that!
What do you consider a small school?
PT - Illinois same as Mendenhall
Ivory - was at WSU before going to Tiffin because of team violation
Jones - Notre Dame

There are lots of good RB's coming from so called small schools.
Michael Turner - N. Illinois
Chris Johnson - E. Carolina
Ahmad Bradshaw - Marshall
Ray Rice - Rutgers
Matt Forte - Tulane

Our line is not the best at knocking defenses off of the line, I didn't agree with the play called on the 4th and inches but no way should that tackle be made behind the line if your OL is doing it's job!

Luda34 · 01-13-2011, 01:12 PM

Williams would be a good pick up he has speed and him and Ivory on the same team that s*&t would be awesome but a big but I guess thomas will be gone just let everyone know Bush not going anywhere.

01-13-2011, 10:31 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Our Running Game First and foremost i'd like someone to educate me; - Did we release Lynell Hamilton once he went on IR, or will he be back next season. i can still remember week 16 2009 vs bucs, Lynell ran all over all them and had a pretty decent game. If he is able to get back to full strength after recovering this season, i'd love to see that guy back. - If Hamilton isn't returning who would you guys rather get, a Young workhorse out of the draft that can handle lets say 200 carries a season (in our offense, thats abit realistic i think) Or Go after Deangelo williams, i have often thought that this guy still has alot left and lets be real - He burns us every single time we play the panthers, this past season 60 yard TD, 2009 2nd play of the game 70 yard TD. Obviously i would love to see both Pierre and Reggie come back, if the reports on reggie are honest then he is willing to take a pay cut to get an extension with us (wow you've grown up since 2006 draft reggie) I think we have to keep Ivory, the guy has durability issues but i think that was just the impact going from very limited playing time at college to basically full time starter at the NFL, its a huge jump and it may have taken its toll. He will most likely work on his durability during the offseason, if so the guy will be amazing. Pierre is the complete back, i think he's vital to our Offense and i love to see that guy play, i don't think we can let him go. With all the stuff that went on between him and Coach payton, i don't know where he stands at the minute but i believe we need to be fair with him - Don't give him absurd money, but give him the money he deserves - I mean remember how he played all the way through 2009 and in the playoffs, he was electric. Tell me what you think everyone!
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01-13-2011, 10:37 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Originally Posted by Danno I'd go after Williams, but I wouldn't break the bank for him. I can't help but think how last year would have gone if we'd signed Tomlinson, who many claimed had nothing left in the tank. Exactly Danno, Brees vouched for Tomlinson, that should of been proof enough that the guy still had some left. Look what he's done with the jets, the guy looked reborn in their running game.

01-13-2011, 12:45 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Our running game starts with Payton. He's got to be committed to running the ball 25 times a game no matter what. Every back in the league has some minimal or negative runs during a game but that is no reason to abandon the run and yes I know our swing passes are an extension of the run but you still need traditional handoffs to sell the play action passes. With the current issues with the CBA it will be hard to go after FA but we just might have the RB's already on the team. If we can resign PT and a restructured Bush (sounds strange), we will also have Hamilton, Hill, Ivory and the new pick up Bell. If all healthy we should have the backs to compete, we just need to be committed to the run. Also we need our OL to do a better job up front. I'm more into looking for an upgrade at tackles than running back. Tough to commit to the run when your top two rushers are injured. Tough for the O line to block for small school RB's, practice squad players and waiver wire "has beens" - unless your o line is incredible.

01-13-2011, 01:08 PM	#9
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Tough to commit to the run when your top two rushers are injured. Tough for the O line to block for small school RB's, practice squad players and waiver wire "has beens" - unless your o line is incredible. I don't buy that! What do you consider a small school? PT - Illinois same as Mendenhall Ivory - was at WSU before going to Tiffin because of team violation Jones - Notre Dame There are lots of good RB's coming from so called small schools. Michael Turner - N. Illinois Chris Johnson - E. Carolina Ahmad Bradshaw - Marshall Ray Rice - Rutgers Matt Forte - Tulane Our line is not the best at knocking defenses off of the line, I didn't agree with the play called on the 4th and inches but no way should that tackle be made behind the line if your OL is doing it's job!

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01-13-2011, 10:36 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	I'd go after Williams, but I wouldn't break the bank for him. I can't help but think how last year would have gone if we'd signed Tomlinson, who many claimed had nothing left in the tank.

01-13-2011, 11:31 AM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I am a believer that we should keep a revolving door attitude on a lot of players... Keep Fresh blood coming in and get them out the door just to keep excitment and the fire going. PT is one of the players I think we need and should part ways with. I seriously don't see him in a Saints uniform next season.

01-13-2011, 11:40 AM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Look what he's done with the jets, the guy looked reborn in their running game. For half a season. That said, he was healthy and could have definitely helped us in the playoffs. Highsight is 20/20... who knew we'd have so many health issues. Had he been here, who knew if we'd ever discover Ivory.

01-13-2011, 12:36 PM	#6
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Our running game starts with Payton. He's got to be committed to running the ball 25 times a game no matter what. Every back in the league has some minimal or negative runs during a game but that is no reason to abandon the run and yes I know our swing passes are an extension of the run but you still need traditional handoffs to sell the play action passes. With the current issues with the CBA it will be hard to go after FA but we just might have the RB's already on the team. If we can resign PT and a restructured Bush (sounds strange), we will also have Hamilton, Hill, Ivory and the new pick up Bell. If all healthy we should have the backs to compete, we just need to be committed to the run. Also we need our OL to do a better job up front. I'm more into looking for an upgrade at tackles than running back.

01-13-2011, 12:43 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Injuries killed the running game. Lynell had a history of knee problems before coming to NO. Will he return? Ivory was a small school back who Payton probably didn't plan on even using this season. He'll still be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart next year. PT is a versatile back that excels in Payton's system. If he's healthy, why not have him return?? Still like to see Reggie back at a price that the team can live with. PJ Hill.... Is he the guy?

01-13-2011, 01:12 PM	#10
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Williams would be a good pick up he has speed and him and Ivory on the same team that s*&t would be awesome but a big but I guess thomas will be gone just let everyone know Bush not going anywhere.