Can I get a ruling?

WhoDat · 11-26-2003, 03:50 PM

Billy and I have recently been debating the things that stop drives. I said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can't argue with a turnover, b/c you can't continue a drive if you don't have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn't help a drive, but it doesn't kill it either.

Please take a look at this post and tell me if this is just pure comedy, or am I dillusional?

quote: (from WhoDat)
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Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they're not drive stoppers.
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(Billy's answer)
You can post till ya blue in the face and drink all the WhoTang ya want to, but you are wrong about the above statement. Feel free to step up to the plate WhoDat.

C'mon just admit you are wrong. We've all been wrong and it will make you sound much more crediable...........

So please guys, b/c honestly, I am speechless, tell me who is right.

BillyC · 11-26-2003, 03:55 PM

So turnovers are the only thing that kill drives? Like I said, you could be right. If we are faced with 3rd and 30 and actually make 30-yard then you would be right. But, that\'s reaching a little bit there, WhoDat. Or shall I call you \"Stretch Armstrong?\"

WhoDat · 11-26-2003, 04:34 PM

Billy - look again, and try to read and make your little chimp brain understand what I am saying. Turnovers, are the only things, that kill a drive WITHOUT ANY CONCERN FOR DOWN AND DISTANCE. We pick up first downs after having first and twenty a couple of times a game.

I\'m not even going to argue with you. I\'ll let the rest of the members of this board point out to you how completely and totally wrong you are. I just said things like penalties happen all the time and they don\'t kill drives and you said I was wrong. That is undoubtedly the flat out, no way around it, dumbest thing I have EVER heard a person who knows anything whatsoever about football say.

I\'ll bet you right now any amount of money that in the history of the NFL there are FAR more that 1,000 drives that resulted in scores in which there was a penalty, missed block, or dropped pass. If those things KILL a drive Billy, then how could that be? Want to make a bet? Just name the amount Billy. Name it. Please. It\'ll be the easiest money I\'ve ever made in my entire life.

BillyC · 11-26-2003, 04:40 PM

Billy - look again, and try to read and make your little chimp brain understand what I am saying

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LOL... I\'m hurt.

Turnovers, are the only things, that kill a drive WITHOUT ANY CONCERN FOR DOWN AND DISTANCE.

Oh, you are changing your statement huh?

Here\'s what the original statement was !!

Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers

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Fact of the matter is WhoDat is when the offense commits a penalty it kills drives more times than not. The only way that you are right would be if the offense is able to overcome those penalties, but statistically speaking they kill drives most of the time.

You see WhoDat, drives are killed you when don\'t pick up a first down and penalties contribute to not picking up first downs !! Get it? Probably not !!

WhoDat · 11-26-2003, 04:50 PM

OH MY GOD. Somebody else please chime in and HELP ME. This man is making me dumber by the minute.

A. Is this a true statement?

\"Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers.\"

Fact of the matter is WhoDat is when the offense commits a penalty it kills drives more times than not.

So what you just said is that it does not ALWAYS kill a drive. So you\'ve just proven yourself wrong. Thanks Billy.

The only way that you are right would be if the offense is able to overcome those penalties, but statistically speaking they kill drives most of the time.

Really? Can I please see those statistics? Show them to me Billy. Is this something you\'ve seen or something you\'re making up? Don\'t answer, we all already know.

I\'ve decided to keep track of how many drives the Saints score on for the rest of the season that includes a penalty, missed block, or dropped pass. Billy care to wager what percentage that will be? I\'m guessing no. You talk real big for a guy with no stats and who isn\'t willing to put anything on the line. Here\'s a deal Billy. Let\'s not bet money. Let\'s say that the loser has to leave this board and NEVER come back. Wanna bet?

pakowitz · 11-26-2003, 04:53 PM

i have to agree with whodat on this one, again

I said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can\'t argue with a turnover, b/c you can\'t continue a drive if you don\'t have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn\'t help a drive, but it doesn\'t kill it either

i totally agree with that statement 100%

BillyC · 11-26-2003, 04:56 PM

Let\'s stick to the facts here WhoDat--

You boldly said this --

Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers

I said you were WRONG because they CAN kill drives. Admit you are wrong already. No one is going to come running to your rescue, because you are WRONG !!

You COULD be right if every offense was able to overcome every penalty, but that\'s foolish to suggest that. THEY CAN KILL DRIVES...

Get it this time? NO? Didn\'t think so !!

WhoDat · 11-26-2003, 04:56 PM

The force is strong in that one I tell you. Thanks Pak. Anyone else want to jump in? BnB? Joe? Tweeky? Saintfan? 08? BMG? D_It_Up? 5221? Nocloning? C\'mon. We need everyone to disagree with Billy before he can KNOW how right he is. (See Brooks debate).

BillyC · 11-26-2003, 04:59 PM

said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can\'t argue with a turnover, b/c you can\'t continue a drive if you don\'t have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn\'t help a drive, but it doesn\'t kill it either

Pak you agree with that 100% do ya? Well, let\'s say that we are faced with a 3rd and 30 because of holding penalties and we don\'t pick up a first down. Would you say that is a drive killer or what you say the reason the drive was killed?

saintz08 · 11-26-2003, 05:03 PM

Billy and I have recently been debating the things that stop drives. I said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can\'t argue with a turnover, b/c you can\'t continue a drive if you don\'t have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn\'t help a drive, but it doesn\'t kill it either.

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A turnover is the ultimate drive killler . The drive stops and it is dead .

The arguement on penalties and dropped balls is all relative to the arm strength and accuracy of the quarterback .

1st and 20 for Elway in the day was no sweat .

1st and 20 for Wuerrfel is a hope and a prayer and a drive killer .

11-26-2003, 03:50 PM	#1
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Can I get a ruling? Billy and I have recently been debating the things that stop drives. I said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can't argue with a turnover, b/c you can't continue a drive if you don't have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn't help a drive, but it doesn't kill it either. Please take a look at this post and tell me if this is just pure comedy, or am I dillusional? quote: (from WhoDat) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they're not drive stoppers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Billy's answer) You can post till ya blue in the face and drink all the WhoTang ya want to, but you are wrong about the above statement. Feel free to step up to the plate WhoDat. C'mon just admit you are wrong. We've all been wrong and it will make you sound much more crediable........... So please guys, b/c honestly, I am speechless, tell me who is right.
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11-26-2003, 03:55 PM	#2
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Can I get a ruling? So turnovers are the only thing that kill drives? Like I said, you could be right. If we are faced with 3rd and 30 and actually make 30-yard then you would be right. But, that\'s reaching a little bit there, WhoDat. Or shall I call you \"Stretch Armstrong?\"
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11-26-2003, 04:34 PM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Can I get a ruling? Billy - look again, and try to read and make your little chimp brain understand what I am saying. Turnovers, are the only things, that kill a drive WITHOUT ANY CONCERN FOR DOWN AND DISTANCE. We pick up first downs after having first and twenty a couple of times a game. I\'m not even going to argue with you. I\'ll let the rest of the members of this board point out to you how completely and totally wrong you are. I just said things like penalties happen all the time and they don\'t kill drives and you said I was wrong. That is undoubtedly the flat out, no way around it, dumbest thing I have EVER heard a person who knows anything whatsoever about football say. I\'ll bet you right now any amount of money that in the history of the NFL there are FAR more that 1,000 drives that resulted in scores in which there was a penalty, missed block, or dropped pass. If those things KILL a drive Billy, then how could that be? Want to make a bet? Just name the amount Billy. Name it. Please. It\'ll be the easiest money I\'ve ever made in my entire life.
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11-26-2003, 04:40 PM	#4
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Can I get a ruling? Billy - look again, and try to read and make your little chimp brain understand what I am saying . LOL... I\'m hurt. Turnovers, are the only things, that kill a drive WITHOUT ANY CONCERN FOR DOWN AND DISTANCE. Oh, you are changing your statement huh? Here\'s what the original statement was !! Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers . Fact of the matter is WhoDat is when the offense commits a penalty it kills drives more times than not. The only way that you are right would be if the offense is able to overcome those penalties, but statistically speaking they kill drives most of the time. You see WhoDat, drives are killed you when don\'t pick up a first down and penalties contribute to not picking up first downs !! Get it? Probably not !!
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11-26-2003, 04:50 PM	#5
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Can I get a ruling? OH MY GOD. Somebody else please chime in and HELP ME. This man is making me dumber by the minute. A. Is this a true statement? \"Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers.\" Fact of the matter is WhoDat is when the offense commits a penalty it kills drives more times than not. So what you just said is that it does not ALWAYS kill a drive. So you\'ve just proven yourself wrong. Thanks Billy. The only way that you are right would be if the offense is able to overcome those penalties, but statistically speaking they kill drives most of the time. Really? Can I please see those statistics? Show them to me Billy. Is this something you\'ve seen or something you\'re making up? Don\'t answer, we all already know. I\'ve decided to keep track of how many drives the Saints score on for the rest of the season that includes a penalty, missed block, or dropped pass. Billy care to wager what percentage that will be? I\'m guessing no. You talk real big for a guy with no stats and who isn\'t willing to put anything on the line. Here\'s a deal Billy. Let\'s not bet money. Let\'s say that the loser has to leave this board and NEVER come back. Wanna bet?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

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11-26-2003, 04:53 PM	#6
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Can I get a ruling? i have to agree with whodat on this one, again I said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can\'t argue with a turnover, b/c you can\'t continue a drive if you don\'t have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn\'t help a drive, but it doesn\'t kill it either i totally agree with that statement 100%

11-26-2003, 04:56 PM	#7
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Can I get a ruling? Let\'s stick to the facts here WhoDat-- You boldly said this -- Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers I said you were WRONG because they CAN kill drives. Admit you are wrong already. No one is going to come running to your rescue, because you are WRONG !! You COULD be right if every offense was able to overcome every penalty, but that\'s foolish to suggest that. THEY CAN KILL DRIVES... Get it this time? NO? Didn\'t think so !!
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11-26-2003, 04:56 PM	#8
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Can I get a ruling? The force is strong in that one I tell you. Thanks Pak. Anyone else want to jump in? BnB? Joe? Tweeky? Saintfan? 08? BMG? D_It_Up? 5221? Nocloning? C\'mon. We need everyone to disagree with Billy before he can KNOW how right he is. (See Brooks debate).
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11-26-2003, 04:59 PM	#9
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	Can I get a ruling? said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can\'t argue with a turnover, b/c you can\'t continue a drive if you don\'t have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn\'t help a drive, but it doesn\'t kill it either Pak you agree with that 100% do ya? Well, let\'s say that we are faced with a 3rd and 30 because of holding penalties and we don\'t pick up a first down. Would you say that is a drive killer or what you say the reason the drive was killed?
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11-26-2003, 05:03 PM	#10
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Can I get a ruling? Billy and I have recently been debating the things that stop drives. I said that turnovers and things like dropped passes or big penalties on third down are the only things that can really be classified as a drive-killer. In my opinion, you can\'t argue with a turnover, b/c you can\'t continue a drive if you don\'t have the ball. Everything else depends entirely on down and distance. Context matters. A false start on first and ten doesn\'t help a drive, but it doesn\'t kill it either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A turnover is the ultimate drive killler . The drive stops and it is dead . The arguement on penalties and dropped balls is all relative to the arm strength and accuracy of the quarterback . 1st and 20 for Elway in the day was no sweat . 1st and 20 for Wuerrfel is a hope and a prayer and a drive killer .
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