Do you side with the Players or the Owners on the CBA issue?

AsylumGuido · 01-27-2011, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

You know, the more I think about it, maybe we should be blaming the television executives. Why in the world would they sign a contract to pay the NFL money even if no games are played on their stations? Not even scab strike games?

The owners and NFL are essentially being subsidized by the TV networks in this strike. Their power to hold out over the NFLPA will be immense. I would think that over this time, the TV networks will lose a ton in advertising revenue and ratings. Why they would sign a deal like that is beyond me. Maybe they are so many programs and so much revenue to go around with other programming they don't notice or care??? Would like to do more research on this.

Why? Because the NFL is a money maker for everyone involved. The owners hold so much power that they can force the networks into that type of deal.

neugey · 01-27-2011, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why? Because the NFL is a money maker for everyone involved. The owners hold so much power that they can force the networks into that type of deal.

Yeah, and I bet the TV Networks each signed off on a bad deal because they didn't want to be left out at the table with the other competitor networks getting their slice of the pie. And the NFL and DirectTV are in bed together.

This could be nasty.

skymike · 01-27-2011, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The players are not asking for more money. They are asking that what they are currently making isn't cut by over 20% and being forced to increase their work time by almost 10%.

Would any of you accept this if it happened to you? .

happens all the time in the real world to real people. Not saying I agree with it. Remember --I hate the 18 game schedule. It will ruin football.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There are former players who made $20,000 per year that are now living in poverty with no medical benefits at all. ..

Thats what Im talking about. The Future, and the safety net. Stop paying 10% of the guys a billion dollars, and put more into benefits, compensation, and retirement. I'm all for that.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Every single owner is filthy rich and everyone of them is making money off their team. .

If these guys are so "risk free," why did they all have to move a decade ago? Did Art Modell really leave Cleveland for pure greed? He needed a better deal so he could compete. They have to constantly come up with schemes to keep up with the escalating astronomical player salaries.

I personally dont hate anyone for being rich. If youre rich, you either worked your ass off for it, or you worked to maintain it, and controlled your vices. We all should be rich, with the opportunity we have.

--ditch the insane 18 game schedule.
-- take care of the disabled and elderly players
-- say no to the rookies and hotshots. defer their payments,
until they're smart enough to take care of the money.
-- dump the stupid stuff at halftime, in favor of a SWAC band.
-- take the rule book back to 1975.

There, I just fixed the NFL.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2011, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

--ditch the insane 18 game schedule.
-- take care of the disabled and elderly players
-- say no to the rookies and hotshots. defer their payments,
until they're smart enough to take care of the money.
-- dump the stupid stuff at halftime, in favor of a SWAC band.
-- take the rule book back to 1975.

There, I just fixed the NFL.

That's sounds like what the players are looking for.

CheramieIII · 01-28-2011, 06:40 PM

The owners the teams belong to them. If you don't like the working conditions where you work, even if the boss changes your duties then you find another job or shut up. I'm not saying they shouldn't get some kind of revenue sharing but I think it's getting way out of hand.

Danno · 01-28-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's sounds like what the players are looking for.

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Except for taking the rule book back to 1975. WR's wouldn't last 1/2 a season and many would probably die or be paralyzed for life. O-linemen wouldn't last log either with the chop blocks and leg whips.

lynwood · 01-28-2011, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

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Except for taking the rule book back to 1975. WR's wouldn't last 1/2 a season and many would probably die or be paralyzed for life. O-linemen wouldn't last log either with the chop blocks and leg whips.

and the purple nurpls, wet willies and Indian Burns.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 01-28-2011, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

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Except for taking the rule book back to 1975. WR's wouldn't last 1/2 a season and many would probably die or be paralyzed for life. O-linemen wouldn't last log either with the chop blocks and leg whips.

Don't forget the Stickum!

OldMaid · 01-31-2011, 11:48 AM

I did not vote because both sides are clearly right on some issues.

Salary-Owners.
Top guys name their pay. Mid -level guys get their due. Lower-level guys are still paid a great salary for the few years they play a few games, a few guarters, or side on the sidelines.

Financial advice-Player's Union.
These football players ,in my opinion, mostly come from single- female family households, lower-income families,
lack education about finances, sometimes a college degree and /or one that they can work in something after, imaturity, and really just lack of common sense.
They need NFL financial planning. Being given out their pay in parts for living on a budget. And the rest untouchable until retirement of 65. Maybe some at 40, 50, 60.
Hey,it works for the rest of us in our careers.

16 game season or not-Players.
16 games is enoguh for fans, networks, and esp. players and the owners too. Add the preseason games and you have 20 games. That is enough. Why water down the product. Canadian football, European football,arena football, former USFL anyone? There is the NFL and then there is just everything else. Lets keep it that way. Why have more and severe or career ending injuries.
Post season Play-off games, there are enough games.
Football is a fall thing, sport. Tradition. Not Spring or Summer sport.

Player Safety-players.
Bigger players, more injuires. The concussion thing is really serious. What are better ways to make the helments?
What ways to change some rules for player safety?

Moral behavior-Football fans.
NFL has somethings in place for this. Each team should have something in place for training camp seminars on avoiding the "club in the hood" and stuff like that.
Thugs and criminals, players in trouble with the law messes up the game for fans, teams,and the NFL.
Depending on the case, the NFL, teams, and fans should say enough and the player needs to be a former player and out of the NFL.

OldMaid · 01-31-2011, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

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Except for taking the rule book back to 1975. WR's wouldn't last 1/2 a season and many would probably die or be paralyzed for life. O-linemen wouldn't last log either with the chop blocks and leg whips.

Back then you did not have the strength conditioning like now, and so many guys hitting 300 lbs and over.

View Poll Results: Do you side with the Owners or the Players on the CBA issue?
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01-27-2011, 03:55 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Originally Posted by neugey You know, the more I think about it, maybe we should be blaming the television executives. Why in the world would they sign a contract to pay the NFL money even if no games are played on their stations? Not even scab strike games? The owners and NFL are essentially being subsidized by the TV networks in this strike. Their power to hold out over the NFLPA will be immense. I would think that over this time, the TV networks will lose a ton in advertising revenue and ratings. Why they would sign a deal like that is beyond me. Maybe they are so many programs and so much revenue to go around with other programming they don't notice or care??? Would like to do more research on this. Why? Because the NFL is a money maker for everyone involved. The owners hold so much power that they can force the networks into that type of deal.

01-27-2011, 04:17 PM	#32
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why? Because the NFL is a money maker for everyone involved. The owners hold so much power that they can force the networks into that type of deal. Yeah, and I bet the TV Networks each signed off on a bad deal because they didn't want to be left out at the table with the other competitor networks getting their slice of the pie. And the NFL and DirectTV are in bed together. This could be nasty.

01-27-2011, 07:16 PM	#33
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The players are not asking for more money. They are asking that what they are currently making isn't cut by over 20% and being forced to increase their work time by almost 10%. Would any of you accept this if it happened to you? . happens all the time in the real world to real people. Not saying I agree with it. Remember --I hate the 18 game schedule. It will ruin football. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There are former players who made $20,000 per year that are now living in poverty with no medical benefits at all. .. Thats what Im talking about. The Future, and the safety net. Stop paying 10% of the guys a billion dollars, and put more into benefits, compensation, and retirement. I'm all for that. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Every single owner is filthy rich and everyone of them is making money off their team. . If these guys are so "risk free," why did they all have to move a decade ago? Did Art Modell really leave Cleveland for pure greed? He needed a better deal so he could compete. They have to constantly come up with schemes to keep up with the escalating astronomical player salaries. I personally dont hate anyone for being rich. If youre rich, you either worked your ass off for it, or you worked to maintain it, and controlled your vices. We all should be rich, with the opportunity we have. --ditch the insane 18 game schedule. -- take care of the disabled and elderly players -- say no to the rookies and hotshots. defer their payments, until they're smart enough to take care of the money. -- dump the stupid stuff at halftime, in favor of a SWAC band. -- take the rule book back to 1975. There, I just fixed the NFL.

01-28-2011, 11:08 AM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Originally Posted by skymike --ditch the insane 18 game schedule. -- take care of the disabled and elderly players -- say no to the rookies and hotshots. defer their payments, until they're smart enough to take care of the money. -- dump the stupid stuff at halftime, in favor of a SWAC band. -- take the rule book back to 1975. There, I just fixed the NFL. That's sounds like what the players are looking for.

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01-28-2011, 06:40 PM	#35
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	The owners the teams belong to them. If you don't like the working conditions where you work, even if the boss changes your duties then you find another job or shut up. I'm not saying they shouldn't get some kind of revenue sharing but I think it's getting way out of hand.

01-28-2011, 06:50 PM	#36
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's sounds like what the players are looking for. \ Except for taking the rule book back to 1975. WR's wouldn't last 1/2 a season and many would probably die or be paralyzed for life. O-linemen wouldn't last log either with the chop blocks and leg whips.

01-28-2011, 07:01 PM	#37
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Originally Posted by Danno \ Except for taking the rule book back to 1975. WR's wouldn't last 1/2 a season and many would probably die or be paralyzed for life. O-linemen wouldn't last log either with the chop blocks and leg whips. and the purple nurpls, wet willies and Indian Burns.

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01-31-2011, 11:48 AM	#39
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	I did not vote because both sides are clearly right on some issues. Salary-Owners. Top guys name their pay. Mid -level guys get their due. Lower-level guys are still paid a great salary for the few years they play a few games, a few guarters, or side on the sidelines. Financial advice-Player's Union. These football players ,in my opinion, mostly come from single- female family households, lower-income families, lack education about finances, sometimes a college degree and /or one that they can work in something after, imaturity, and really just lack of common sense. They need NFL financial planning. Being given out their pay in parts for living on a budget. And the rest untouchable until retirement of 65. Maybe some at 40, 50, 60. Hey,it works for the rest of us in our careers. 16 game season or not-Players. 16 games is enoguh for fans, networks, and esp. players and the owners too. Add the preseason games and you have 20 games. That is enough. Why water down the product. Canadian football, European football,arena football, former USFL anyone? There is the NFL and then there is just everything else. Lets keep it that way. Why have more and severe or career ending injuries. Post season Play-off games, there are enough games. Football is a fall thing, sport. Tradition. Not Spring or Summer sport. Player Safety-players. Bigger players, more injuires. The concussion thing is really serious. What are better ways to make the helments? What ways to change some rules for player safety? Moral behavior-Football fans. NFL has somethings in place for this. Each team should have something in place for training camp seminars on avoiding the "club in the hood" and stuff like that. Thugs and criminals, players in trouble with the law messes up the game for fans, teams,and the NFL. Depending on the case, the NFL, teams, and fans should say enough and the player needs to be a former player and out of the NFL.

01-31-2011, 11:57 AM	#40
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno \ Except for taking the rule book back to 1975. WR's wouldn't last 1/2 a season and many would probably die or be paralyzed for life. O-linemen wouldn't last log either with the chop blocks and leg whips. Back then you did not have the strength conditioning like now, and so many guys hitting 300 lbs and over.