Saints agree to 5 year deal with Hartley

RaginCajun83 · 03-02-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I knew the Hartley news would stir the pot... I agree with Papz, there is probably a ton of other stuff going on here.

I don't think Lance Moore is going anywhere anytime soon.

I think we all forget what it's like to have zero kicker to work with.

You mean like last year?

st thomas · 03-02-2011, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I knew the Hartley news would stir the pot... I agree with Papz, there is probably a ton of other stuff going on here.

I don't think Lance Moore is going anywhere anytime soon.

I think we all forget what it's like to have zero kicker to work with.

i agree, if orlando mare is 1 of them i agree with that too. he was 1 of our biggest failures of late. its like he would miss on purpose to get the hell out of town. did anyone else have that feeling? then he gets to seattle and he rellapses to being a decent kicker.

SaintsBro · 03-04-2011, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by st thomas

i agree, if orlando mare is 1 of them i agree with that too. he was 1 of our biggest failures of late. its like he would miss on purpose to get the hell out of town. did anyone else have that feeling? then he gets to seattle and he rellapses to being a decent kicker.

If you are wondering why solid, reliable kickers like Mare can come to New Orleans, look like garbage, and then he goes to Seattle and suddenly looks great again, it's called SPECIAL TEAMS COACHING. Same reason Carney and Hartley and ALL of our special teams units, have looked alternately great and alternately terrible ever since McMahon got here. Our special teams coach is a tinkerer -- he tinkers with this, tinkers with that, let's change this, let's fix that, no let's try it this other way instead -- and consistency, reliability or preparation is just not part of his game plan. He tinkers with one thing, and something else breaks. Fixes that, and something else goes wrong. Rolls in on Sunday with his units totally unprepared for that week's game. He is friends with Payton, though.

I actually like Hartley. I think he's a head case, but I think a lot of the kicks that both he and Carney missed, there were LOTS of other things that looked bad about those particular plays, blocking, timing, etc. The whole special teams process on kicks, always looked kinda sloppy, all year, instead of crisp and tight like other teams. And that's coaching.

Choupique · 03-09-2011, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

If you are wondering why solid, reliable kickers like Mare can come to New Orleans, look like garbage, and then he goes to Seattle and suddenly looks great again, it's called SPECIAL TEAMS COACHING. Same reason Carney and Hartley and ALL of our special teams units, have looked alternately great and alternately terrible ever since McMahon got here. Our special teams coach is a tinkerer -- he tinkers with this, tinkers with that, let's change this, let's fix that, no let's try it this other way instead -- and consistency, reliability or preparation is just not part of his game plan. He tinkers with one thing, and something else breaks. Fixes that, and something else goes wrong. Rolls in on Sunday with his units totally unprepared for that week's game. He is friends with Payton, though.

I actually like Hartley. I think he's a head case, but I think a lot of the kicks that both he and Carney missed, there were LOTS of other things that looked bad about those particular plays, blocking, timing, etc. The whole special teams process on kicks, always looked kinda sloppy, all year, instead of crisp and tight like other teams. And that's coaching.

So, how many years experience do you have as a Special Teams coach or are you speaking with zero personal experience?

niteadept · 03-02-2011, 03:47 PM

Hartley screwed up in the beginning. Second year kicker. It sucked that we lost the games we did, but he pulled it together as the year progressed. If SP has faith, then who am I to doubt SP? It's not my checkbook afterall and really easy to sit here and say what he should have done. Now don't let me down Hartley!

saintfan · 03-02-2011, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by niteadept

Hartley screwed up in the beginning. Second year kicker. It sucked that we lost the games we did, but he pulled it together as the year progressed. If SP has faith, then who am I to doubt SP? It's not my checkbook afterall and really easy to sit here and say what he should have done. Now don't let me down Hartley!

I am convinced working with a new holder had something to do with it.

Rugby Saint II · 03-02-2011, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I am convinced working with a new holder had something to do with it.

Me too!!!

Rugby Saint II · 03-02-2011, 05:27 PM

Five years is a long time. However, contracts aren't worth the paper that they are written on.

papz · 03-03-2011, 10:31 AM

Garrett Hartley's new five-year deal with the Saints has a $10.3 million base value, with roughly $3 million guaranteed.

There's another $2.7M in incentives. Hartley has a great leg when his mind is right, but his biggest plus has always been Sean Payton's support. In a dome and high-flying offense, he'll remain an elite fantasy kicker in 2011. And Hartley now has job security, the lack of which made him risky in previous years.

breesfan27 · 03-03-2011, 11:57 PM

I for one, am happy to see Hartley back for another 5 years. I have faith he will shake off the second year slump and come back better than ever in 2011.

03-02-2011, 12:59 PM	#1
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Originally Posted by Halo I knew the Hartley news would stir the pot... I agree with Papz, there is probably a ton of other stuff going on here. I don't think Lance Moore is going anywhere anytime soon. I think we all forget what it's like to have zero kicker to work with. You mean like last year?

03-02-2011, 01:14 PM	#2
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by Halo I knew the Hartley news would stir the pot... I agree with Papz, there is probably a ton of other stuff going on here. I don't think Lance Moore is going anywhere anytime soon. I think we all forget what it's like to have zero kicker to work with. i agree, if orlando mare is 1 of them i agree with that too. he was 1 of our biggest failures of late. its like he would miss on purpose to get the hell out of town. did anyone else have that feeling? then he gets to seattle and he rellapses to being a decent kicker.

03-04-2011, 10:03 AM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by st thomas i agree, if orlando mare is 1 of them i agree with that too. he was 1 of our biggest failures of late. its like he would miss on purpose to get the hell out of town. did anyone else have that feeling? then he gets to seattle and he rellapses to being a decent kicker. If you are wondering why solid, reliable kickers like Mare can come to New Orleans, look like garbage, and then he goes to Seattle and suddenly looks great again, it's called SPECIAL TEAMS COACHING. Same reason Carney and Hartley and ALL of our special teams units, have looked alternately great and alternately terrible ever since McMahon got here. Our special teams coach is a tinkerer -- he tinkers with this, tinkers with that, let's change this, let's fix that, no let's try it this other way instead -- and consistency, reliability or preparation is just not part of his game plan. He tinkers with one thing, and something else breaks. Fixes that, and something else goes wrong. Rolls in on Sunday with his units totally unprepared for that week's game. He is friends with Payton, though. I actually like Hartley. I think he's a head case, but I think a lot of the kicks that both he and Carney missed, there were LOTS of other things that looked bad about those particular plays, blocking, timing, etc. The whole special teams process on kicks, always looked kinda sloppy, all year, instead of crisp and tight like other teams. And that's coaching.

03-09-2011, 01:50 PM	#4
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Originally Posted by SaintsBro If you are wondering why solid, reliable kickers like Mare can come to New Orleans, look like garbage, and then he goes to Seattle and suddenly looks great again, it's called SPECIAL TEAMS COACHING. Same reason Carney and Hartley and ALL of our special teams units, have looked alternately great and alternately terrible ever since McMahon got here. Our special teams coach is a tinkerer -- he tinkers with this, tinkers with that, let's change this, let's fix that, no let's try it this other way instead -- and consistency, reliability or preparation is just not part of his game plan. He tinkers with one thing, and something else breaks. Fixes that, and something else goes wrong. Rolls in on Sunday with his units totally unprepared for that week's game. He is friends with Payton, though. I actually like Hartley. I think he's a head case, but I think a lot of the kicks that both he and Carney missed, there were LOTS of other things that looked bad about those particular plays, blocking, timing, etc. The whole special teams process on kicks, always looked kinda sloppy, all year, instead of crisp and tight like other teams. And that's coaching. So, how many years experience do you have as a Special Teams coach or are you speaking with zero personal experience?
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594

03-02-2011, 05:32 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by niteadept Hartley screwed up in the beginning. Second year kicker. It sucked that we lost the games we did, but he pulled it together as the year progressed. If SP has faith, then who am I to doubt SP? It's not my checkbook afterall and really easy to sit here and say what he should have done. Now don't let me down Hartley! I am convinced working with a new holder had something to do with it.

03-02-2011, 03:47 PM	#5
niteadept Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 520 Blog Entries: 1	Hartley screwed up in the beginning. Second year kicker. It sucked that we lost the games we did, but he pulled it together as the year progressed. If SP has faith, then who am I to doubt SP? It's not my checkbook afterall and really easy to sit here and say what he should have done. Now don't let me down Hartley!

03-02-2011, 06:29 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Originally Posted by saintfan I am convinced working with a new holder had something to do with it. Me too!!!

03-02-2011, 05:27 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,187	Five years is a long time. However, contracts aren't worth the paper that they are written on.

03-03-2011, 10:31 AM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Garrett Hartley's new five-year deal with the Saints has a $10.3 million base value, with roughly $3 million guaranteed. There's another $2.7M in incentives. Hartley has a great leg when his mind is right, but his biggest plus has always been Sean Payton's support. In a dome and high-flying offense, he'll remain an elite fantasy kicker in 2011. And Hartley now has job security, the lack of which made him risky in previous years.

03-03-2011, 11:57 PM	#10
breesfan27 Mrs. Drew Brees Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Who Dat Nation (by way of South Dakota) Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1	I for one, am happy to see Hartley back for another 5 years. I have faith he will shake off the second year slump and come back better than ever in 2011.