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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL This doesn't excite me either. I was hoping the team would look into getting a bigger, more solid, less injury-prone back via the draft or free agency to handle the work load. I give credit to ...
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03-04-2011, 03:12 PM | #41 |
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Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL
u have good points s.m. but i'm sure if a ingram or leshoure is there at 24 he will grab one. and about s. jackson, he's been hurt the last few years besides 2010 so its just badluck involved in these injuries and our luck sucked the most i sure agree with it there.
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03-04-2011, 03:16 PM | #42 |
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Saints re-signed RB Pierre Thomas to a four-year, $12 million contract.
In light of Thomas' injury-marred 2010 season that landed him in coach Sean Payton's doghouse, the deal comes as quite a surprise. Thomas was reported to be holding out for Steven Jackson money last offseason. The terms aren't in yet, but you can bet he settled for considerably less this time around. With Chris Ivory coming off a Lisfranc injury on top of shoulder, knee, and hamstring woes, Thomas should assume the nominal starting job. Payton mixes and matches his backs so often that neither will have more than inconsistent RB2 value in 2011. Source: NewOrleans.com Mar 3, 3:28 PM 4 years for 12 million tells me the front office knows what the hell they're doing. I love it. |
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03-04-2011, 03:27 PM | #43 |
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Originally Posted by TheDeuce
i'm glad u brought up the screens to him. but its the decoy he lays out before the screen is played out hes a master at it and he makes teams bite at a run or a dump the opposite direction then back to him. u can see it developing, masterpiece p.t. think about it, he's not the whole back just a piece of a championship backfield.
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03-04-2011, 04:47 PM | #44 |
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Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL
Chris Ivory NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com
Pierre Thomas NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com Steven Jackson NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com I think you're basing everything of a simple YPA for a single season, not a good judgement call, and Thomas, Bush, and a lot of our other RB's played very little in 2010, so being 28th in rushing is understandable. Ivory running more than everyone didnt improve that stat either. IF you look at the stats, it will explain things better for you. Jackson has always had almost 2x the Attempts at running that Thomas has. Thomas could easily clear 1200-1600 a season if he was given 324 Rush Attempts and 51 receiving attempts that Jackson is getting, all of the stats prove that. Instead Thomas has 147 Rush attempts and 39 receiving attempts at the most in a season, and his YPA rushing was 5.4, and YPA receiving was 7.7. In 2007-2008 Thomas had even less attempts and still did a 4.8 rushing and 9 receiving. Thomas in 2009 did better than Ivory this year, way better because Ivory had almost no receiving yards. The problem with playing on the Saints is you have to be selfless. Colston will never get the numbers to put him in the HOF, because we play as a team and spread the ball around. Thomas, Ivory and Bush will never get their attempts either. 12 million for 4 years is a steal for an all around RB with PT's consistency and abilities. If we could get 4 RB's with the ability of PT for 48 million over 4 years, Id be in heaven. Really cant understand why you have a problem with it. Especially sense Payton is crazy happy about it, and Im sure he knows PT's abilities better than anyone on this board. |
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03-04-2011, 07:35 PM | #46 |
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I appreciate the explanation.
Originally Posted by pherein
I was hardly basing everything on this one stat. It was a reply to your comment about how artful PT is and his superior vision skills over Ivory. Since you brought up how much better PT is, I wanted to point out Ivory's YPC advantage. Simple as that. I even state I'm not sold on Ivory.
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These statements actually help make my point. Thomas (and the others) played very little in 2010 because of Injuries! Thomas has yet to play in all 16 games in an NFL season. True, Jackson has been hurt as well, but he has been hurt shouldering 2-2.5 times the number of carries PT has and still racks up 1,000 yard seasons. It's easy to say if PT had the carries he'd have the stats. Guess what, he doesn't. Part/most of that is because of our offensive game plan design. But you have to admit that part of it is because he can't take that pounding the way Jackson can.
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True, the Saints spread the ball around on offense, but receivers are different than RBs. There are generally only one or two of them on the field at a time to hand the ball to versus 5 receiving options, so numbers alone explain why receiving stats are more "spread around" than rushing stats. I believe that if Payton had a bell-cow type back he would use that guy enough to get Jackson type yards which, in turn, would help the pass game. Instead he has to use a stable of backs because injury/performance has not enabled one guy to take the job by himself. I don’t believe that Payton wouldn't rather have a guy he can count on for 200-300 carries per season than have to sign guys off practice squads.
I said earlier in this thread that it's good to have him on the team. But it doesn't excite me because I think the RB position needs an upgrade and re-signing Thomas doesn't provide that. It can be hoped that he will play 12-16 games over the next 4 years and produce what he did in 2008-2009 (50 Rush YPG, 20 Rec YPG, 10 TDs). However coming off the year he did, it’s reasonable to wonder about his ability to produce for the next four years. |
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pt,bush,ivory......3 headed monster....need em all
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Originally Posted by MatthewT
I'm fine with them resigning PT but we need a back that is durable. People say there is no way we have the luck we did last year but if we keep signing injured players it's more than feasable. Ivory, PT, and Bush are going to go down if you go by their history. The only way to fix it is to either get a durable RB in the draft or keep getting warm bodies off the street which we all know how that worked out.
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03-04-2011, 09:25 PM | #50 |
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Now get Bush signed with a reasonable contract commensurate with his production, then we got options at Running Back; though, I don't believe in today's NFL you spend a No. 1 on a RB...
The highest I'd geaux is a back-end round two pick... |