I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team

ScottyRo · 12-07-2003, 04:26 PM

I can\'t say that this is the most disgusted I ever been by the Saints. Last year, was worse by far for me. All the Saints had to do is win one of their last three against some pretty bad teams and they would be in the playoffs and they lose all 3 - that was much more disgusting.

The way this season has gone this loss wasn\'t so unexpected. Obviously, they are good enough to win, but they are much too sloppy and carefree to win consistently. They display very little emotion and the QB refuses to prioritze ball protection. With this type of play, making the playoffs would be a waste of time.

This, still, is better than the Ditka years. At least we have a team that can win. Of course, I want more, but it is not the low point in the franchise\'s history. But then again, there are 3 games left. Maybe they can get there.

whowatches · 12-07-2003, 04:45 PM

subguy, your post would probably be hilarious if I was not in such a bad mood.

I\'m tired of deciding whether this year is more disappointing than the last one. Honestly, how many times have we asked ourself that question?

I did not get to see the game, but listening to it and watching the highlights leads me to believe it was not the defense\'s fault today. They kept us in the game. Kudos to Bellamy and Ruff.

I agree with Billy. We should not cut Brooks (that is hard to say right now). I do think that he should have a legitimate challenger next year. He obviously needs someone on his heels in order to motivate him to play.

I don\'t know about Haslett. I definitely don\'t like him right now. My biggest question is where would we be without those early injuries. I dunno... we had our own destiny in our hands today and, well, we blew it.

Billy, do you really think the coaching was not to blame today? This is a real question, not sarcasm. I only heard pieces of the game because of a bad connection. Please elaborate.

BillyC · 12-07-2003, 04:50 PM

Billy, do you really think the coaching was not to blame today? This is a real question, not sarcasm. I only heard pieces of the game because of a bad connection. Please elaborate

The coaches did nothing wrong today. The defene and special teams had a very good game. The offensive game plan was fine. We totally dominated this game >EXCEPT< in 2 very important catorgories.

1. Turnovers
2. Points.

This loss is on the turnovers. Although, the Bucs defense deserves some credit. The Bucs defense was able to pressure the QB very effectively today. They also shut Deuce down. The coaches getting the blame for today??? Nah........ I don\'t see it.

saint5221 · 12-07-2003, 04:51 PM

Obviously, they are good enough to win, but they are much too sloppy and carefree to win consistently. They display very little emotion and the QB refuses to prioritze ball protection.

Thats part of why this is the most annoying Saints team for me. This team is doing less with more. Last year Deuce and Aaron were both injured. This year they are both healthy and the team had last year to learn from. All we were told by the Saints this year was how better the focus was and how they learned from last year. Looks like the only thing they learned was how to keep doing it.

Sorry,Not trying to get into a pointless pissing contest with you Scotty about the worst team, just so damn sick about this season right now. I know it\'s been this way all season long and the game today was a fitting accompaniment to the rest of the year to date. But it\'s finally over now, no dreams of resurrections or tomorrows and all the back dated accountability is now due.

[Edited on 12/7/2003 by saint5221]

saintz08 · 12-07-2003, 05:04 PM

[quote:26def14d15] The loss today had nothing to do with with the last game, the last season, or anything else. Coaching did not lose the game for us today. [quote:26def14d15]

Is Brooks still suffering from the knee sprain he had scoped 2 weeks ago ??

If so then when Tampa pins their ears back and comes after Brooks and Haslett see\'s this he could have optioned to put Bouman in , in the 4th to add quarterback mobility to the option of the offense .

In the red zone , a healthier Brooks may have opted to run it in and not try to force a pass . It looked for a moment that Brooks had a lane to go but opted to pass .

[Edited on 7/12/2003 by saintz08]

Stork · 12-07-2003, 05:07 PM

How\'s it going everyone?
I didn\'t get to see the game so there\'s not too much I can say about it. They don\'t show the Saints very often in Korea. I tried to keep up with it play-by-play on ESPN.com. What I can say is everytime it seemed there was an opportunity, Brooks was dropping it on the turf. Can anyone give me the real un-biased scoop on the game?

BillyC · 12-07-2003, 05:26 PM

How\'s it going everyone?
I didn\'t get to see the game so there\'s not too much I can say about it. They don\'t show the Saints very often in Korea. I tried to keep up with it play-by-play on ESPN.com. What I can say is everytime it seemed there was an opportunity, Brooks was dropping it on the turf. Can anyone give me the real un-biased scoop on the game?

Korea huh. Military? Man, good luck over there. Here\'s the scoop:

1. Brooks cost us the game with fumbles. The Bucs did get a decent amount of pressure on him most of the day though.

2. Our defense played outstanding. I think the Bucs scored all of their points (14) off of turnovers.

3. Special Teams. Michael Lewis had a good game and overall our special teams were solid.

Not too much else to write about.

JKool · 12-07-2003, 05:26 PM

I don\'t think I can provide an un-biased scoop. I\'m pretty sure you\'re looking in the wrong place if you want that.

JKool · 12-07-2003, 05:38 PM

Ok. That was pretty unbiased (by BillyC); I will consider eating my words... though I stand by the sentiment.

imthechasman · 12-07-2003, 07:13 PM

how can you guys say our special teams was solid? It sucked, how did tampa get their go ahead TD? yes, our crappy special teams. Lost the game at Carolina in large part because HE HATE ME ran back a KO for a TD, gave up a TD last week on a KO return. Between punting, kicking off, and a QB that thinks pigskin is radioactive or something, the Saints have many holes. The D actually looks reasonable out there most of the time. Yes, they cant stop the run, and Tebucky was a giant waste of money, but theyre coming together reasonably well. If Brooks doesnt fumble 3 times and they can actually get a punt off with 28 seconds to go before the half, they win, But, the ifs and buts are there every week. When it comes down to it, the Saints are a talented team with a stupid QB and devoid of fundamentals. That is a combination of a \"leader\" with a lackluster intelligence level and a lack of good coaching. There was NO F\'N WAY that Tampa was going to go 80 yards for a TD today, so what do the saints do? they give them 2 td\'s...truly pathetic.

12-07-2003, 04:26 PM	#21
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team I can\'t say that this is the most disgusted I ever been by the Saints. Last year, was worse by far for me. All the Saints had to do is win one of their last three against some pretty bad teams and they would be in the playoffs and they lose all 3 - that was much more disgusting. The way this season has gone this loss wasn\'t so unexpected. Obviously, they are good enough to win, but they are much too sloppy and carefree to win consistently. They display very little emotion and the QB refuses to prioritze ball protection. With this type of play, making the playoffs would be a waste of time. This, still, is better than the Ditka years. At least we have a team that can win. Of course, I want more, but it is not the low point in the franchise\'s history. But then again, there are 3 games left. Maybe they can get there.

12-07-2003, 04:45 PM	#22
whowatches 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 575	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team subguy, your post would probably be hilarious if I was not in such a bad mood. I\'m tired of deciding whether this year is more disappointing than the last one. Honestly, how many times have we asked ourself that question? I did not get to see the game, but listening to it and watching the highlights leads me to believe it was not the defense\'s fault today. They kept us in the game. Kudos to Bellamy and Ruff. I agree with Billy. We should not cut Brooks (that is hard to say right now). I do think that he should have a legitimate challenger next year. He obviously needs someone on his heels in order to motivate him to play. I don\'t know about Haslett. I definitely don\'t like him right now. My biggest question is where would we be without those early injuries. I dunno... we had our own destiny in our hands today and, well, we blew it. Billy, do you really think the coaching was not to blame today? This is a real question, not sarcasm. I only heard pieces of the game because of a bad connection. Please elaborate.
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12-07-2003, 04:50 PM	#23
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team Billy, do you really think the coaching was not to blame today? This is a real question, not sarcasm. I only heard pieces of the game because of a bad connection. Please elaborate The coaches did nothing wrong today. The defene and special teams had a very good game. The offensive game plan was fine. We totally dominated this game >EXCEPT< in 2 very important catorgories. 1. Turnovers 2. Points. This loss is on the turnovers. Although, the Bucs defense deserves some credit. The Bucs defense was able to pressure the QB very effectively today. They also shut Deuce down. The coaches getting the blame for today??? Nah........ I don\'t see it.
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12-07-2003, 04:51 PM	#24
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team Obviously, they are good enough to win, but they are much too sloppy and carefree to win consistently. They display very little emotion and the QB refuses to prioritze ball protection. Thats part of why this is the most annoying Saints team for me. This team is doing less with more. Last year Deuce and Aaron were both injured. This year they are both healthy and the team had last year to learn from. All we were told by the Saints this year was how better the focus was and how they learned from last year. Looks like the only thing they learned was how to keep doing it. Sorry,Not trying to get into a pointless pissing contest with you Scotty about the worst team, just so damn sick about this season right now. I know it\'s been this way all season long and the game today was a fitting accompaniment to the rest of the year to date. But it\'s finally over now, no dreams of resurrections or tomorrows and all the back dated accountability is now due. [Edited on 12/7/2003 by saint5221]
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12-07-2003, 05:04 PM	#25
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team [quote:26def14d15] The loss today had nothing to do with with the last game, the last season, or anything else. Coaching did not lose the game for us today. [quote:26def14d15] Is Brooks still suffering from the knee sprain he had scoped 2 weeks ago ?? If so then when Tampa pins their ears back and comes after Brooks and Haslett see\'s this he could have optioned to put Bouman in , in the 4th to add quarterback mobility to the option of the offense . In the red zone , a healthier Brooks may have opted to run it in and not try to force a pass . It looked for a moment that Brooks had a lane to go but opted to pass . [Edited on 7/12/2003 by saintz08]
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12-07-2003, 05:07 PM	#26
Stork Rookie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team How\'s it going everyone? I didn\'t get to see the game so there\'s not too much I can say about it. They don\'t show the Saints very often in Korea. I tried to keep up with it play-by-play on ESPN.com. What I can say is everytime it seemed there was an opportunity, Brooks was dropping it on the turf. Can anyone give me the real un-biased scoop on the game?
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12-07-2003, 05:26 PM	#27
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team How\'s it going everyone? I didn\'t get to see the game so there\'s not too much I can say about it. They don\'t show the Saints very often in Korea. I tried to keep up with it play-by-play on ESPN.com. What I can say is everytime it seemed there was an opportunity, Brooks was dropping it on the turf. Can anyone give me the real un-biased scoop on the game? Korea huh. Military? Man, good luck over there. Here\'s the scoop: 1. Brooks cost us the game with fumbles. The Bucs did get a decent amount of pressure on him most of the day though. 2. Our defense played outstanding. I think the Bucs scored all of their points (14) off of turnovers. 3. Special Teams. Michael Lewis had a good game and overall our special teams were solid. Not too much else to write about.
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12-07-2003, 05:26 PM	#28
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team I don\'t think I can provide an un-biased scoop. I\'m pretty sure you\'re looking in the wrong place if you want that.

12-07-2003, 05:38 PM	#29
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team Ok. That was pretty unbiased (by BillyC); I will consider eating my words... though I stand by the sentiment.

12-07-2003, 07:13 PM	#30
imthechasman Rookie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1	I have never been so disgusted with a Saints team how can you guys say our special teams was solid? It sucked, how did tampa get their go ahead TD? yes, our crappy special teams. Lost the game at Carolina in large part because HE HATE ME ran back a KO for a TD, gave up a TD last week on a KO return. Between punting, kicking off, and a QB that thinks pigskin is radioactive or something, the Saints have many holes. The D actually looks reasonable out there most of the time. Yes, they cant stop the run, and Tebucky was a giant waste of money, but theyre coming together reasonably well. If Brooks doesnt fumble 3 times and they can actually get a punt off with 28 seconds to go before the half, they win, But, the ifs and buts are there every week. When it comes down to it, the Saints are a talented team with a stupid QB and devoid of fundamentals. That is a combination of a \"leader\" with a lackluster intelligence level and a lack of good coaching. There was NO F\'N WAY that Tampa was going to go 80 yards for a TD today, so what do the saints do? they give them 2 td\'s...truly pathetic.
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