Which Reggie Bush scenario would you like to see happen?

Danno · 05-10-2011, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Reggie stays as a situational running back and occasional slot receiver, as well as kick and punt returner. He takes a HUGE pay cut and keeps his mouth shut. Sounds like the perfect scenario.

Agree, except for the punt/KO returner. He not very good at it at all.

ClintSaints · 05-10-2011, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Agree, except for the punt/KO returner. He not very good at it at all.

Actually, he's pretty decent on punt returns. As a kickoff returner, he's only ever done a couple of times I believe. His career average on punt returns is about 8 yards which is decent, if not spectacular, and he has 5 touchdowns as a punt returner. Not wonderful, but definitely not bad.

QBREES9 · 05-10-2011, 10:50 PM

Reggie Bush stays with the Saints, as a situational running back only 7 58.33%

voodooido · 05-10-2011, 10:59 PM

we wont get crap for him unless he signs a new deal to work a trade. No one is going to pay this thug 11 mil for at best 500 rushing and 500 reciving. I worry about the cap hit if we have to release him.

iceshack149 · 05-11-2011, 12:37 AM

I still think that Bush will remain a Saint this year. He's under a microscope now more than ever so he'd better make this his best season ever.

If he thinks that he's suffering now, another mediocre season will break his heart.

jeanpierre · 05-11-2011, 06:06 AM

Bush stays and is featured more as a slot receiver while still giving the change of featured RB looks he's given...

I still want him as a PR/KR; and while Devin Hester is the top guy, if you ask other teams, they don't kick to 'em...

Danno · 05-11-2011, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by ClintSaints

Actually, he's pretty decent on punt returns. As a kickoff returner, he's only ever done a couple of times I believe. His career average on punt returns is about 8 yards which is decent, if not spectacular, and he has 5 touchdowns as a punt returner. Not wonderful, but definitely not bad.

Reggie Bush
2010, ranked 53rd overall (6.6)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)

2009, ranked 63rd overall (4.8)
(ranked 27th among "qualified" returners)

2008, ranked 9th overall (13.5, his best year)
(ranked 3rd among "qualified" returners)

2007, ranked 64th, (4.0, but he only had 3 for 12 yards)

2006, ranked 45th in the NFL (7.7)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)

2010 NFL average is about 10.4 Y/PR, which he only surpassed in 2008.

Dead last in 2010 was 6.1 Y/PR, which he only surpassed 3 times in his ENTIRE career.

His career return average of 7.8 (skewed by 2008 (7.7, 4.0, 13.5, 4.8, 6.6)) would have ranked 23rd in the NFL in 2010.

Remove his ONE good year and he'd rank 30th in the NFL.

Of course, they don't count east-west yards, only north-south.

Beastmode · 05-11-2011, 07:49 AM

Keep him as a primary reserve receiver/RB. He can't do either one great, but certainly good enough to win games. As a returner/gunner I'd say that should be a secondary role. The fumbles and tripping over his own feet on kick returns, especially at the worst possible time, has become more of the norm and I doubt it wil improve this late in his career.

Saint_LB · 05-11-2011, 07:57 AM

I think it really depends on how much he is willing to play for...and if his recent tweets are any sign of what he expects, then he is a goner.

I don't think he will play for less money just to stay in NO, and if his agent tells him he can get more somewhere else, then that's probably where he will end-up.

I think it would be interesting to see what he can do if he were with a team that could give him creases to run through. If he gets into the 2nd level untouched he is very dangerous, but he doesn't make his own holes.

If he stays with the Saints, we all know what his role will be. If he moves on, I will follow his progress with great interest.

ClintSaints · 05-11-2011, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Reggie Bush
2010, ranked 53rd overall (6.6)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)

2009, ranked 63rd overall (4.8)
(ranked 27th among "qualified" returners)

2008, ranked 9th overall (13.5, his best year)
(ranked 3rd among "qualified" returners)

2007, ranked 64th, (4.0, but he only had 3 for 12 yards)

2006, ranked 45th in the NFL (7.7)
(ranked 24th among "qualified" returners)

2010 NFL average is about 10.4 Y/PR, which he only surpassed in 2008.

Dead last in 2010 was 6.1 Y/PR, which he only surpassed 3 times in his ENTIRE career.

His career return average of 7.8 (skewed by 2008 (7.7, 4.0, 13.5, 4.8, 6.6)) would have ranked 23rd in the NFL in 2010.

Remove his ONE good year and he'd rank 30th in the NFL.

Of course, they don't count east-west yards, only north-south.

Even being ranked 53rd isn't that bad. Did you realize that literally HUNDREDS of players do punt returns on a yearly basis? Being ranked 53rd out of 200 is good. Being ranked 23rd is even better. And you can't remove his one good year - that one good year is PART of his career and can't be dislodged no matter how hard you try. By the way, did you bother to list how many attempts he's had in each of those years? You are cherry-picking data to support your conclusions. 7.8 yards is a good career punt return average no matter how you slice it. I could turn right around and say, "Reggie Bush has had good punt returns, except for the year 2009. If you take 2009 out of the equation, he's averaged 9 yards per punt return." And anyway, in 2008 he did 20 returns, which is a good amount of returns to do an average. He only ranks 9th because there are some returners who ran only 1 or 2 punt returns and had a really good runback in the one or two times that they tried.

Nice try though.

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05-10-2011, 08:23 PM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Originally Posted by jcp026 Reggie stays as a situational running back and occasional slot receiver, as well as kick and punt returner. He takes a HUGE pay cut and keeps his mouth shut. Sounds like the perfect scenario. Agree, except for the punt/KO returner. He not very good at it at all.

05-10-2011, 09:39 PM	#12
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Originally Posted by Danno Agree, except for the punt/KO returner. He not very good at it at all. Actually, he's pretty decent on punt returns. As a kickoff returner, he's only ever done a couple of times I believe. His career average on punt returns is about 8 yards which is decent, if not spectacular, and he has 5 touchdowns as a punt returner. Not wonderful, but definitely not bad.

05-10-2011, 10:59 PM	#14
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,836	we wont get crap for him unless he signs a new deal to work a trade. No one is going to pay this thug 11 mil for at best 500 rushing and 500 reciving. I worry about the cap hit if we have to release him.
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05-11-2011, 07:37 AM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Originally Posted by ClintSaints Actually, he's pretty decent on punt returns. As a kickoff returner, he's only ever done a couple of times I believe. His career average on punt returns is about 8 yards which is decent, if not spectacular, and he has 5 touchdowns as a punt returner. Not wonderful, but definitely not bad. Reggie Bush 2010, ranked 53rd overall (6.6) (ranked 24th among "qualified" returners) 2009, ranked 63rd overall (4.8) (ranked 27th among "qualified" returners) 2008, ranked 9th overall (13.5, his best year) (ranked 3rd among "qualified" returners) 2007, ranked 64th, (4.0, but he only had 3 for 12 yards) 2006, ranked 45th in the NFL (7.7) (ranked 24th among "qualified" returners) 2010 NFL average is about 10.4 Y/PR, which he only surpassed in 2008. Dead last in 2010 was 6.1 Y/PR, which he only surpassed 3 times in his ENTIRE career. His career return average of 7.8 (skewed by 2008 (7.7, 4.0, 13.5, 4.8, 6.6)) would have ranked 23rd in the NFL in 2010. Remove his ONE good year and he'd rank 30th in the NFL. Of course, they don't count east-west yards, only north-south.

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05-10-2011, 10:50 PM	#13
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Reggie Bush stays with the Saints, as a situational running back only 7 58.33%

05-11-2011, 12:37 AM	#15
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,379 Blog Entries: 1	I still think that Bush will remain a Saint this year. He's under a microscope now more than ever so he'd better make this his best season ever. If he thinks that he's suffering now, another mediocre season will break his heart.

05-11-2011, 06:06 AM	#16
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Bush stays and is featured more as a slot receiver while still giving the change of featured RB looks he's given... I still want him as a PR/KR; and while Devin Hester is the top guy, if you ask other teams, they don't kick to 'em...

05-11-2011, 07:49 AM	#18
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Keep him as a primary reserve receiver/RB. He can't do either one great, but certainly good enough to win games. As a returner/gunner I'd say that should be a secondary role. The fumbles and tripping over his own feet on kick returns, especially at the worst possible time, has become more of the norm and I doubt it wil improve this late in his career.
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05-11-2011, 07:57 AM	#19
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	I think it really depends on how much he is willing to play for...and if his recent tweets are any sign of what he expects, then he is a goner. I don't think he will play for less money just to stay in NO, and if his agent tells him he can get more somewhere else, then that's probably where he will end-up. I think it would be interesting to see what he can do if he were with a team that could give him creases to run through. If he gets into the 2nd level untouched he is very dangerous, but he doesn't make his own holes. If he stays with the Saints, we all know what his role will be. If he moves on, I will follow his progress with great interest.
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05-11-2011, 09:24 AM	#20
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Originally Posted by Danno Reggie Bush 2010, ranked 53rd overall (6.6) (ranked 24th among "qualified" returners) 2009, ranked 63rd overall (4.8) (ranked 27th among "qualified" returners) 2008, ranked 9th overall (13.5, his best year) (ranked 3rd among "qualified" returners) 2007, ranked 64th, (4.0, but he only had 3 for 12 yards) 2006, ranked 45th in the NFL (7.7) (ranked 24th among "qualified" returners) 2010 NFL average is about 10.4 Y/PR, which he only surpassed in 2008. Dead last in 2010 was 6.1 Y/PR, which he only surpassed 3 times in his ENTIRE career. His career return average of 7.8 (skewed by 2008 (7.7, 4.0, 13.5, 4.8, 6.6)) would have ranked 23rd in the NFL in 2010. Remove his ONE good year and he'd rank 30th in the NFL. Of course, they don't count east-west yards, only north-south. Even being ranked 53rd isn't that bad. Did you realize that literally HUNDREDS of players do punt returns on a yearly basis? Being ranked 53rd out of 200 is good. Being ranked 23rd is even better. And you can't remove his one good year - that one good year is PART of his career and can't be dislodged no matter how hard you try. By the way, did you bother to list how many attempts he's had in each of those years? You are cherry-picking data to support your conclusions. 7.8 yards is a good career punt return average no matter how you slice it. I could turn right around and say, "Reggie Bush has had good punt returns, except for the year 2009. If you take 2009 out of the equation, he's averaged 9 yards per punt return." And anyway, in 2008 he did 20 returns, which is a good amount of returns to do an average. He only ranks 9th because there are some returners who ran only 1 or 2 punt returns and had a really good runback in the one or two times that they tried. Nice try though.