Lofa Tatupu?

Danno · 07-31-2011, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

No Danno, you aren't reading... The suggestion was to move him to the outside. But you dismissed that and then assumed that since you disagreed with it now everyone still wanted him, but now to replace Vilma. That was a bit presumptive, and perhaps a little delusional.

Delusional? Wow, whatever.

You do know what delusional means don't you?

Delusional: A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness

Somehow I really don't think my response to signing a lifelong MLB (which we already have) and shifting either of them to OLB was "delusional".

But then again, if I was delusional I wouldn't recognize that I was delusional, so maybe you have a point.

Jack Vegas · 07-31-2011, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by papz

My bad. I didn't realize we were measuring football speed.

Any who... I'm just not that interested in moving him outside, having had double knee surgery, and being responsible for covering TE's down the seam even though he has some of the fastest football speed out there.

Curiously though... how much would you be willing to pay him? He's was scheduled to make a little more than 4 million this year and refused to restructure and take a pay cut to remain playing for Pete Carroll of all people.

We can both sit here and mouth off snarky responses to each other all day, but Tatupu's situation reminds me a lot of Vilma, another guy who people said was washed up when we got him.

And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you or I is interested in, but what the FO thinks. And we'll find that out in time.

saintsfan1976 · 07-31-2011, 07:36 PM

No one claimed Vilma a wash-up. He was coming off knee surgery and playing in a 3-4 defense. There were certainly questions about his future and the signing seemed risky but the kid had more upside than anything.

papz · 07-31-2011, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

We can both sit here and mouth off snarky responses to each other all day, but Tatupu's situation reminds me a lot of Vilma, another guy who people said was washed up when we got him.

And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you or I is interested in, but what the FO thinks. And we'll find that out in time.

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to have him. But I just think your expectations are a little too much here.

-The guy has been on the decline the past few seasons.
-He's coming off double knee surgery.
-He runs what one would have to assume in the high 4.8/4.9s now.
-Rushing he passer hasn't exactly been his strong suit.

Now while he has great football instincts, probably the best word describing him, the odds are stacked against him and it would not appear to be an upgrade starting him on our defense. If he were willing to sign a one year pact to come in here and backup Vilma, while rebuilding some value for the following season, sign me up.

Memnoch_TP · 07-31-2011, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Somehow I really don't think my response to signing a lifelong MLB (which we already have) and shifting either of them to OLB was "delusional".

But then again, if I was delusional I wouldn't recognize that I was delusional, so maybe you have a point.

We were talking about bringing in Tatupu and moving him to OLB. This resulted in you saying...

Originally Posted by Danno

Is the thinking that we really move our pro-bowl MLB to WLB?

Our Pro-Bowl MLB is Jon Vilma. When we suggested moving Tatupu to OLB, what we meant was moving Tatupu to OLB. See, if we were talking about moving Vilma to OLB, we would have said "Vilma" and not "Tatupu", because Vilma's name is "Vilma", and not "Tatupu". On the other hand, Tatupu's name IS "Tatupu". So when you hear us say "Tatupu", we are referring to Tatupu, and not Vilma.

So, in summary, when we say "Move Tatupu to OLB" that is not a suggestion that we move Vilma to OLB in any way, shape, or form. That's all I'm saying.

Maverick2299 · 08-01-2011, 04:19 PM

I'm not sure we can even get him, he got cut for not taking a pay cut. He wants alot of money. I think the broncos will make a push for him. But when he plays he can cause disruptions.

papz · 08-01-2011, 04:51 PM

I've read a couple of places that the Raiders are looking at him to backup McClain... and he may get a look in Philly as well.

Euphoria · 08-01-2011, 05:12 PM

Isn't it like asking Vilma to play in a 3-4 which he hated and didn't do well in and then you put him in his natural position in a 4-3 and he is a Pro Bowler.

No I don't think we need another player who wants to play only for the money. I mean I get it but that isn't us... our team seems to want players who want to play. Maybe looking for a second or new life in football. Signing players who want money is not on the agenda here...

Speedy Ron · 08-01-2011, 06:39 PM

lofa lapupu is washed up. i just dont like the idea of picking up a guy who is on the decline of their career. 3/4 years ago...id love it. we have more intersting prospects at that positions.

Maverick2299 · 08-01-2011, 09:57 PM

He is now with the Raiders

07-31-2011, 06:34 PM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP No Danno, you aren't reading... The suggestion was to move him to the outside. But you dismissed that and then assumed that since you disagreed with it now everyone still wanted him, but now to replace Vilma. That was a bit presumptive, and perhaps a little delusional. Delusional? Wow, whatever. You do know what delusional means don't you? Delusional: A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness Somehow I really don't think my response to signing a lifelong MLB (which we already have) and shifting either of them to OLB was "delusional". But then again, if I was delusional I wouldn't recognize that I was delusional, so maybe you have a point.

07-31-2011, 07:21 PM	#12
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by papz My bad. I didn't realize we were measuring football speed. Any who... I'm just not that interested in moving him outside, having had double knee surgery, and being responsible for covering TE's down the seam even though he has some of the fastest football speed out there. Curiously though... how much would you be willing to pay him? He's was scheduled to make a little more than 4 million this year and refused to restructure and take a pay cut to remain playing for Pete Carroll of all people. We can both sit here and mouth off snarky responses to each other all day, but Tatupu's situation reminds me a lot of Vilma, another guy who people said was washed up when we got him. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you or I is interested in, but what the FO thinks. And we'll find that out in time.
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07-31-2011, 08:04 PM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Originally Posted by Jack Vegas We can both sit here and mouth off snarky responses to each other all day, but Tatupu's situation reminds me a lot of Vilma, another guy who people said was washed up when we got him. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you or I is interested in, but what the FO thinks. And we'll find that out in time. Don't get me wrong... I'd love to have him. But I just think your expectations are a little too much here. -The guy has been on the decline the past few seasons. -He's coming off double knee surgery. -He runs what one would have to assume in the high 4.8/4.9s now. -Rushing he passer hasn't exactly been his strong suit. Now while he has great football instincts, probably the best word describing him, the odds are stacked against him and it would not appear to be an upgrade starting him on our defense. If he were willing to sign a one year pact to come in here and backup Vilma, while rebuilding some value for the following season, sign me up.
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07-31-2011, 09:50 PM	#15
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by Danno Somehow I really don't think my response to signing a lifelong MLB (which we already have) and shifting either of them to OLB was "delusional". But then again, if I was delusional I wouldn't recognize that I was delusional, so maybe you have a point. We were talking about bringing in Tatupu and moving him to OLB. This resulted in you saying... Originally Posted by Danno Is the thinking that we really move our pro-bowl MLB to WLB? Our Pro-Bowl MLB is Jon Vilma. When we suggested moving Tatupu to OLB, what we meant was moving Tatupu to OLB. See, if we were talking about moving Vilma to OLB, we would have said "Vilma" and not "Tatupu", because Vilma's name is "Vilma", and not "Tatupu". On the other hand, Tatupu's name IS "Tatupu". So when you hear us say "Tatupu", we are referring to Tatupu, and not Vilma. So, in summary, when we say "Move Tatupu to OLB" that is not a suggestion that we move Vilma to OLB in any way, shape, or form. That's all I'm saying.
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08-01-2011, 05:12 PM	#18
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Isn't it like asking Vilma to play in a 3-4 which he hated and didn't do well in and then you put him in his natural position in a 4-3 and he is a Pro Bowler. No I don't think we need another player who wants to play only for the money. I mean I get it but that isn't us... our team seems to want players who want to play. Maybe looking for a second or new life in football. Signing players who want money is not on the agenda here... \|Mitch\| likes this.

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07-31-2011, 07:36 PM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	No one claimed Vilma a wash-up. He was coming off knee surgery and playing in a 3-4 defense. There were certainly questions about his future and the signing seemed risky but the kid had more upside than anything.

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Maverick2299 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: VA Posts: 368	I'm not sure we can even get him, he got cut for not taking a pay cut. He wants alot of money. I think the broncos will make a push for him. But when he plays he can cause disruptions.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	I've read a couple of places that the Raiders are looking at him to backup McClain... and he may get a look in Philly as well.

08-01-2011, 06:39 PM	#19
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	lofa lapupu is washed up. i just dont like the idea of picking up a guy who is on the decline of their career. 3/4 years ago...id love it. we have more intersting prospects at that positions.

08-01-2011, 09:57 PM	#20
Maverick2299 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: VA Posts: 368	He is now with the Raiders