Why are we aquiring so many run stuffers this offseason?

neugey · 08-07-2011, 09:33 AM

IMO the objective is to make the other team mostly give up on the run and become mostly one-dimensional with the pass. Once this happens, GW can put in his aggressive blitzing or bizarre coverage schemes to rattle the opposition and try to force an incompletion or a takeaway.

foreverfan · 08-07-2011, 10:43 AM

With our defense, we want teams to throw the ball....

The problem with the passing game is you have only one good thing that can happen and a boat load of things that can go wrong.

Incompletion
Interception
Penalty
Sack
Fumble
Stops the Clock - More possesions for Saints

With the secondary we've accumulated, we are daring people to throw it. Can you say turnover? We have an offense that can get into a shoot out with anyone. Bring it on babby. I trust in Greg Williams & Sean Payton know what they are doing.

Saint_LB · 08-07-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

With our defense, we want teams to throw the ball....

The problem with the passing game is you have only one good thing that can happen and a boat load of things that can go wrong.

Incompletion
Interception
Offensive Interfearence
Holding
Sack
Fumble
Procedure
Stops the Clock - More possesions for Saints

With the secondary we've accumulated, we are daring people to throw it. Can you say turnover? We have an offense that can get into a shoot out with anyone. Bring it on babby. I trust in Greg Williams & Sean Payton know what they are doing.

I'm gonna give you an A+ for content...but I reluctantly have to deduct points for spelling.

Overall grade- A-

Yeah...we spelling cops have been out in full-force recently...he he he.

foreverfan · 08-07-2011, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

I'm gonna give you an A+ for content...but I reluctantly have to deduct points for spelling.

Yeah...we spelling cops have been out in full-force recently...he he he.

Are you kidding? Have you seen the way cats spell on this board?

Danno · 08-07-2011, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by realheavyd

Worry not dude, this is exactly the right approach if you think about it.

Sedrick Ellis is a great pass rusher from inside. Gregg Williams knows that and that's why he wanted NT types in Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin to use on the D-line to free up Ellis to do his worst this year. Ellis was double teamed most of last year and he still recorded 6 sacks, best of his career so far. Look for Ellis to post up Pro Bowl numbers this year with the help of Rogers and Franklin to free him up.

Cameron Jordan was drafted for his versatility at DE to also be moved inside on passing downs, a lot like they used to do with Charles Grant when he was still a Saint, but now it should be much more effective with Jordan and Ellis in the middle with all their strength and speed together to pinch off the center.

With all that beef in the middle, Rogers and Franklin on 1st and 2nd downs (mostly running downs), and Ellis coming in on 3rd downs for an added pass rush, teams will be faced with a lot of 3rd and longs after not being able to run up the middle on us anymore. This will free up our speedy linebackers, Casillas, Martez Wilson and Vilma as well as Will Smith and Junior Galette or Turk McBride or Alex Brown or Jeff Charleston at DE to get after the QB and rattle his cage on those 3rd and longs.

Meanwhile, we have some of the best corners in the NFL in Greer and Porter as well as depth galore there if any of them go down, plus extreme strength at SS in Roman Harper and FS with Malcolm Jenkins to shut down every option long enough to get the QB down.

Our defense is now so deep at every position that it isn't even funny anymore. If you thought Green Bay's defense was great last year, you haven't seen anything because the Saints will make them look like amateurs this year. Watch!

Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too.

Franklin isn't as fast as Rodgers, but the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle.

I truly think we improved our pass rush just as much as our run stopping ability.

Again, as with everything right now, its all on paper. But this team looks loaded.

foreverfan · 08-07-2011, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle.

Are you calling Shanle a heat seeking missle?

Saint_LB · 08-07-2011, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too.

Franklin isn't as fast as Rodgers, but the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle.

I truly think we improved our pass rush just as much as our run stopping ability.

Again, as with everything right now, its all on paper. But this team looks loaded.

To quote you...

"Good stuff bro"!

Danno · 08-07-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Are you calling Shanle a heat seeking missle?

OK, would you believe... a heat seeking rock?

Saint_LB · 08-07-2011, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

OK, would you believe... a heat seeking rock?

Not to worry...the blur of Harper will blind people from noticing Shanle's tardiness.

‪Sam Bradford runs Roman Harper Down‬&rlm; - YouTube

Seer1 · 08-07-2011, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too.

I seem to remember Rogers giving Drew fits last year in that game. (I kinda think that game was Rogers' resume to Loomis and Payton.)

08-07-2011, 10:43 AM	#12
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	With our defense, we want teams to throw the ball.... The problem with the passing game is you have only one good thing that can happen and a boat load of things that can go wrong. Incompletion Interception Penalty Sack Fumble Stops the Clock - More possesions for Saints With the secondary we've accumulated, we are daring people to throw it. Can you say turnover? We have an offense that can get into a shoot out with anyone. Bring it on babby. I trust in Greg Williams & Sean Payton know what they are doing. Saint_LB likes this.
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08-07-2011, 10:48 AM	#13
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by foreverfan With our defense, we want teams to throw the ball.... The problem with the passing game is you have only one good thing that can happen and a boat load of things that can go wrong. Incompletion Interception Offensive Interfearence Holding Sack Fumble Procedure Stops the Clock - More possesions for Saints With the secondary we've accumulated, we are daring people to throw it. Can you say turnover? We have an offense that can get into a shoot out with anyone. Bring it on *babby*. I trust in Greg Williams & Sean Payton know what they are doing. I'm gonna give you an A+ for content...but I reluctantly have to deduct points for spelling. Overall grade- A- Yeah...we spelling cops have been out in full-force recently...he he he. strato likes this.
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08-07-2011, 10:51 AM	#14
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Saint_LB I'm gonna give you an A+ for content...but I reluctantly have to deduct points for spelling. Yeah...we spelling cops have been out in full-force recently...he he he. Are you kidding? Have you seen the way cats spell on this board?
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08-07-2011, 10:52 AM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by realheavyd Worry not dude, this is exactly the right approach if you think about it. Sedrick Ellis is a great pass rusher from inside. Gregg Williams knows that and that's why he wanted NT types in Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin to use on the D-line to free up Ellis to do his worst this year. Ellis was double teamed most of last year and he still recorded 6 sacks, best of his career so far. Look for Ellis to post up Pro Bowl numbers this year with the help of Rogers and Franklin to free him up. Cameron Jordan was drafted for his versatility at DE to also be moved inside on passing downs, a lot like they used to do with Charles Grant when he was still a Saint, but now it should be much more effective with Jordan and Ellis in the middle with all their strength and speed together to pinch off the center. With all that beef in the middle, Rogers and Franklin on 1st and 2nd downs (mostly running downs), and Ellis coming in on 3rd downs for an added pass rush, teams will be faced with a lot of 3rd and longs after not being able to run up the middle on us anymore. This will free up our speedy linebackers, Casillas, Martez Wilson and Vilma as well as Will Smith and Junior Galette or Turk McBride or Alex Brown or Jeff Charleston at DE to get after the QB and rattle his cage on those 3rd and longs. Meanwhile, we have some of the best corners in the NFL in Greer and Porter as well as depth galore there if any of them go down, plus extreme strength at SS in Roman Harper and FS with Malcolm Jenkins to shut down every option long enough to get the QB down. Our defense is now so deep at every position that it isn't even funny anymore. If you thought Green Bay's defense was great last year, you haven't seen anything because the Saints will make them look like amateurs this year. Watch! Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too. Franklin isn't as fast as Rodgers, but the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle. I truly think we improved our pass rush just as much as our run stopping ability. Again, as with everything right now, its all on paper. But this team looks loaded. Saint_LB likes this.

08-07-2011, 10:56 AM	#16
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Danno the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle. Are you calling Shanle a heat seeking missle?

08-07-2011, 09:33 AM	#11
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	IMO the objective is to make the other team mostly give up on the run and become mostly one-dimensional with the pass. Once this happens, GW can put in his aggressive blitzing or bizarre coverage schemes to rattle the opposition and try to force an incompletion or a takeaway.

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08-07-2011, 10:57 AM	#17
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by Danno Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too. Franklin isn't as fast as Rodgers, but the big boy can collapse the pocket quite quickly, forcing the QB out of the pocket into the helmet of an oncoming heat seeking missle. I truly think we improved our pass rush just as much as our run stopping ability. Again, as with everything right now, its all on paper. But this team looks loaded. To quote you... "Good stuff bro"!
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08-07-2011, 11:03 AM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by foreverfan Are you calling Shanle a heat seeking missle? OK, would you believe... a heat seeking rock?

08-07-2011, 11:09 AM	#20
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Originally Posted by Danno Good stuff bro, but I think it should be noted that Shawn Rodgers is an excellent pass rusher for a DT. He's got 3 tech speed to go along with his 2-gap frame. He is not strickly a big run stuffing DT, although he does that quite well too. I seem to remember Rogers giving Drew fits last year in that game. (I kinda think that game was Rogers' resume to Loomis and Payton.)