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Seer1 08-07-2011 09:39 AM

Comparing Sproles vs Bush
 
This will make a better discussion after the Superbowl, but since I've had it with the whole NFL Network Faulk-Sanders love fest instead of the HOF game that should be on, I thought I'd bring it up now. What factors make a better running back? Yardage, perceived quickness, games played per season? What else? Everything I've read lately seems to take it as a given that Sproles is almost as good as Reggie and we didn't lose too much to Miami. I'm not convinced we didn't didn't get the better end of it.

foreverfan 08-07-2011 10:02 AM

Durability is at the top of the list. You can't make the team from the bike.

Danno 08-07-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 316434)
This will make a better discussion after the Superbowl, but since I've had it with the whole NFL Network Faulk-Sanders love fest instead of the HOF game that should be on, I thought I'd bring it up now. What factors make a better running back? Yardage, perceived quickness, games played per season? What else? Everything I've read lately seems to take it as a given that Sproles is almost as good as Reggie and we didn't lose too much to Miami. I'm not convinced we didn't didn't get the better end of it.

Better than Reggie...
consistency
durability
production

Not better than Reggie...
40 yard dash

poydras 08-07-2011 10:12 AM

We'll miss Reggie's leadership.

saintsfan1976 08-07-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316452)
We'll miss Reggie's leadership.

No, another Saintsation can cheer from the sideline just as easily.

Danno 08-07-2011 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316452)
We'll miss Reggie's leadership.

I think Sproles is a pretty good leader too. I don't tknow if carries bats but I've read he's more of a quiet leader.

We've got enough leaders on this team that I don't think we'll miss Reggie's leadership on or off the field.

Saint_LB 08-07-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 316455)
I think Sproles is a pretty good leader too. I don't tknow if carries bats but I've read he's more of a quiet leader.

We've got enough leaders on this team that I don't think we'll miss Reggie's leadership on or off the field.

Awww...no bats? :(

RockyMountainSaint 08-07-2011 10:24 AM

Watched him at practice yesterday.
Impressions:
vision
body control
burst
decisive
Sproles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bush

Listened to the 5 min of football content a midst the 55 min of commercials per hour on WWL-radio.
Bobby Hebert says to stop all the Sproles-Bush comparisons. That we are better than that.
SCREW YOU "Cannon"!
He and Deke think they know everything, and own Saints football.
That program is un-listenable anymore.
I miss Buddy-D soooooooo much.

poydras 08-07-2011 10:30 AM

I'll never understand why people dislike Reggie. If nothing else, I'll remember how he stepped up in that playoff game against arizona. We went to the NFC championship twice won a Super Bowl with him, let's see how many we play in and win without him.

Danno 08-07-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 316461)
Watched him at practice yesterday.
Impressions:
vision
body control
burst
decisive
Sproles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bush

Sproles reminds me a little of Warrick Dunn in the way he runs. A little guy who runs with power and balance, and turns it upfield quickly to squirt though the hole.

He's a solid addition.

foreverfan 08-07-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316452)
We'll miss Reggie's leadership.

LMAO...Good one.... :D

RockyMountainSaint 08-07-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316463)
I'll never understand why people dislike Reggie. If nothing else, I'll remember how he stepped up in that playoff game against arizona. We went to the NFC championship twice won a Super Bowl with him, let's see how many we play in and win without him.

I Loved and Hated Reggie.

He is just too damn inconsistent and fragile.
It was maddening!
I will take consistently very good and healthy over occasionally great and sporadically healthy any day.

jeanpierre 08-07-2011 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316463)
I'll never understand why people dislike Reggie. If nothing else, I'll remember how he stepped up in that playoff game against arizona. We went to the NFC championship twice won a Super Bowl with him, let's see how many we play in and win without him.

The bar was set really high for him - "once in a lifetime" - "greatest talent of his generation"...

He was a really good Slot-Back with a special skill set that demanded at the NFL level he be out in space with the ball...

His rookie season showed that; but trying to force the issue at running back was not so good...

The announcement that the Saints were going to have a chance to draft Reggie changed a city in a deep depression post-flood...

We "Thank Him for His Contribution" and we move on...

Now we find out what Sproles has left in the tank, pray he protects the ball, and move on to putting the team together for a Lombardi Run...

Bashing Reggie is gonna make for Bad Karma...

Saint_LB 08-07-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316463)
I'll never understand why people dislike Reggie. If nothing else, I'll remember how he stepped up in that playoff game against arizona. We went to the NFC championship twice won a Super Bowl with him, let's see how many we play in and win without him.

To me...Reggie is one of those guys that winning seems to follow. It will also be interesting to see what happens in Miami.

44Champs 08-07-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316463)
I'll never understand why people dislike Reggie. If nothing else, I'll remember how he stepped up in that playoff game against arizona. We went to the NFC championship twice won a Super Bowl with him, let's see how many we play in and win without him.

it's almost like you're hoping we don't make the nfccg or the superbowl just so you can prove your point. reggie was a piece of the puzzle. he wasn't the only reason we had that success.

poydras 08-07-2011 10:43 AM

Yes; if nothing else, we're going to see who is at fault with all the injuries. At one time last year, ALL FOUR of our starting backs were injured and on the sidelines. Chris Ivory finished a game on the field and was then listed as injured and unable to play the following day. What did he do? Fall in the shower or what? If Reggie gets all the carries that the fish seem to think and plays the whole year uninjured, it will be an indictment against our training staff.

poydras 08-07-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 316473)
it's almost like you're hoping we don't make the nfccg or the superbowl just so you can prove your point. reggie was a piece of the puzzle. he wasn't the only reason we had that success.

That's an unfair assessment. I've had Saints season tickets since the 80s. I've seen lots of my heroes come and go. While I appreciate Reggie coming here and contributing in whatever way people think he contributed; I'm a Saints fan, not a Reggie fan.

jeanpierre 08-07-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316474)
Yes; if nothing else, we're going to see who is at fault with all the injuries. At one time last year, ALL FOUR of our starting backs were injured and on the sidelines. Chris Ivory finished a game on the field and was then listed as injured and unable to play the following day. What did he do? Fall in the shower or what? If Reggie gets all the carries that the fish seem to think and plays the whole year uninjured, it will be an indictment against our training staff.

You bring up a good point...

Already, since the Ivory hernia sx, several reporters have said in their video logs that they may have to ask Coach Payton about the recurrence of certain injuries; one such example is the sports hernia; I believe so far Vilma, Smith, Stinchcomb, Greer, Henderson, Ivory; as well as former players Shockey, Young and Brown...

Seer1 08-07-2011 11:15 AM

I'm a fan of Reggie. He was fun to watch play and contributed quite a bit to our Superbowl run. I hope he does well with the Fins. He was great in certain roles, but not in others. He was great coming out of the backfield catching screen or dump offs. I didn't find his special teams performances that great overall. He was wonderful with the trick and off direction plays whether or not he was the one with the ball. He was not an in between the tackles runner and his injury problems really went up when he started trying to prove that he was. Ten yards and then out of bounds was his best contribution. He gained yards and stayed healthy. Sproles can do the things Reggie did, plus can do the between the tackles kind of run. Some of his best years were when he had LT with him. Now he's back with some kick assed feature backs. He could have the kind of year that puts any of Bush's to shame.

Memnoch_TP 08-07-2011 12:02 PM

It isn't hating on Reggie because we think Sproles will be a better and more effective player for us.

strato 08-07-2011 12:05 PM

Sproles-A New Orleans Saint

Bush -A Miami Dolphin

Why is are we discussing this?

Euphoria 08-07-2011 12:18 PM

You might also want to check the win percentage of Bush when playing in games vs when he didn't.

You'll find that we won more games without him.

alexonfyre 08-07-2011 02:20 PM

Well, I feel that Reggie's qualities as a player range from "infuriating" to "jaw-dropping" and you never know what you are going to get on a given day, or even on any play during that day. I'll admit that the riverboat gambler in me always liked to see Reggie get the ball.

Despite his shortcomings in durability and consistency though, I love Reggie because he was a community guy, he was always out in NO being visible and helping out in the community and he was always gracious to us as fans. He is the type of guy off the field that I like to think that the Saints stand for as an organization. So, for me, where ever Reggie ends up, I hope he does well...just not against the saints :D

QBREES9 08-07-2011 02:27 PM

A lot of good things coming out of camp about Sproles !!! A very exciting time here in New Orleans ( CT ) that is LOL

Danno 08-07-2011 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 316501)
Sproles-A New Orleans Saint

Bush -A Miami Dolphin

Why is are we discussing this?

Because for the last 3 or 4 years we've heard from Reggie worshippers how awesome he was and how he's a match-up nightmare keeping DC's awake for night after night and how he draws triple coverage every time he steps on the field and how we score 14 more points per game when he's on the field versus not.

And we heard from the Reggitarians and how anyone who criticizes any aspect of the great one's game is a Reggie hater or a "downer".

If he was as freaking awesome as the Bushies proclaimed, little Darren Sproles couldn't even hold his jock on gameday.

I'd imagine thats why it may be a topic of discussion, or perhaps since he's gone the blind obsession with Reggie is becoming obvious to those guilty of it.

strato 08-07-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 316570)
Because for the last 3 or 4 years we've heard from Reggie worshippers how awesome he was and how he's a match-up nightmare keeping DC's awake for night after night and how he draws triple coverage every time he steps on the field and how we score 14 more points per game when he's on the field versus not.

And we heard from the Reggitarians and how anyone who criticizes any aspect of the great one's game is a Reggie hater or a "downer".

If he was as freaking awesome as the Bushies proclaimed, little Darren Sproles couldn't even hold his jock on gameday.

I'd imagine thats why it may be a topic of discussion, or perhaps since he's gone the blind obsession with Reggie is becoming obvious to those guilty of it.


LOL..your obsessed with this...

Like i said he's gone now..no use crying over spilled milk...

Let it go ..seek a higher ground...

Focus on the future and quit living in the past....you'll feel better i promise:doh:

Boutte 08-07-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 316445)
Durability is at the top of the list. You can't make the team from the bike.

Some people can.

WestBankbOrn 08-07-2011 04:01 PM

Bush is like the ex-girlfriend you had that you were with for 6 years and was the best thing that ever happened to you. 2 days after you break up, your telling all your friends how much you ALWAYS hated her and couldn't remember why you were with her. There are plenty of other "fish" in the sea and right now Sproles seems like one hell of a rebound.

strato 08-07-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WestBankbOrn (Post 316587)
Bush is like the ex-girlfriend you had that you were with for 6 years and was the best thing that ever happened to you. 2 days after you break up, your telling all your friends how much you ALWAYS hated her and couldn't remember why you were with her. There are plenty of other "fish" in the sea and right now Sproles seems like one hell of a rebound.


I kinda like to think of it as a mutual breakup..where your still friends..remember the F.O wanted him back at the right price...so the love was still there...but the breakup was for the best..:D

Boutte 08-07-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 316501)
Sproles-A New Orleans Saint

Bush -A Miami Dolphin

Why is are we discussing this?

Why ain't aren't not. ;)

The Dude 08-07-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by poydras (Post 316463)
I'll never understand why people dislike Reggie. If nothing else, I'll remember how he stepped up in that playoff game against arizona. We went to the NFC championship twice won a Super Bowl with him, let's see how many we play in and win without him.

Ive never understood why people like Reggie. He could not stay on the feild, was more of a liability than a threat, and was surrounded by too many distractions. Plus he ate up a ton of money that could have been spent elswhere. I don't hate the guy, I have always been just indifferent. He would have been fine if he was playing at the league minimum, which he deserves, but a player that made as much money as he did should be held accountable.

strato 08-07-2011 05:37 PM

the Saints paid him....what would you do?..kinda like some dude tipping us 500 bucks to play a tune...were taking it..lol

Seer1 08-07-2011 05:51 PM

Reggitarians -That's pretty funny!

Danno 08-07-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 316572)
LOL..your obsessed with this...

Like i said he's gone now..no use crying over spilled milk...

Let it go ..seek a higher ground...

Focus on the future and quit living in the past....you'll feel better i promise:doh:

No milk was spilled, so I ain't cryin.;)

And if you're waiting for me to focus on the future, you're backing up. I live and breathe the future. Its why I wanted to replace Reggie last year.

strato 08-07-2011 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 316628)
Reggitarians -That's pretty funny!


Kinda like Downo...lol

strato 08-07-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 316629)
No milk was spilled, so I ain't cryin.;)

And if you're waiting for me to focus on the future, you're backing up. I live and breathe the future. Its why I wanted to replace Reggie last year.


You been cryin since i got here...:doh:

|Mitch| 08-07-2011 06:01 PM

Regardless of what I think about Bush! He's gone now, so why do we need to compare Sproles, PT, Anybody to him? It doesn't matter anymore, he will never be a Saint again so why worry about it.

Sproles is here now and as long as he can stay on the field, he's better in my book. Plus he has a knack for returning kicks, so no more holding my breath with Bush standing back there...

Danno 08-07-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 316635)
You been cryin since i got here...:doh:

Uhhh, sure Strat... sure. :rolleyes:

homerj07 08-07-2011 06:03 PM

Reggie was... Reggie.
He was overhyped & could NEVER live up to that.
Yes he helped the team - when he was healthy. How many games did he miss since 06? A season's worth??

strato 08-07-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 316637)
Regardless of what I think about Bush! He's gone now, so why do we need to compare Sproles, PT, Anybody to him? It's doesn't matter anymore, he will never be a Saint again so why worry about it.

Sproles is here now and as long as he can stay on the field, he's better in my book. Plus he has a knack for returning kicks, so no more holding my breath with Bush standing back there...


Exactly! But haters gonna hate


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