Our Offensive (literally) Tackles

neugey · 08-18-2011, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

BUT I think the real downside to this weakness, comes in what I call "scary" or "mean" games -- things like DeMarcus Ware in the Cowboys game in '09, or the second half of the Vikings NFC championship game in particular, where it's brutal, rough football with big mean ugly guys getting all up in Drew's face. Sometimes in games like that, I can sense that Drew does start to look kinda uncomfortable back there. ESPECIALLY the second half of the Vikings game! And that worries me, I feel like that's the situation where having a big burly offensive tackle out there would probably help.

You bring up a good point here and one could make an argument that OT may be the most difficult position on the field to play with the way that defenses play and scheme nowdays. You cannot use your hands as much at tackle because they look for more holding around the edge of the tackle box.

So maybe Payton has the right idea ... there aren't many, if any, Anthony Munoz or Willie Roaf calibre OT's in the league now. It's better to have solid guys and continuity than to overpay for a guy who might not really be that much better than what we have.

FinSaint · 08-18-2011, 04:40 PM

I still wonder if someone like Max Starks could make the O-Line more solid?

papz · 08-18-2011, 07:10 PM

Saints placed OT Alex Barron (knee) on injured reserve, ending his season.

A false-start or holding penalty waiting to happen in his years as a Rams starter, Barron had been sidelined by a left knee injury in camp. He wasn't viewed as a legit possibility to step in for the recently released Jon Stinchcomb.

Source: Howard Balzer on Twitter

xan · 08-18-2011, 08:45 PM

Wow. Barron was a stud FA signing. Never made it on the field. Why exactly did we give him a contract?

GeauxForMore · 08-18-2011, 08:50 PM

Saints put Alex Barron on injured reserve | ProFootballTalk

You know out of all the great moves Loomis did this off-season, this has to be the dumbest moves he made. Alex Barron was terrible for the Cowboys and for some reason we signed him to a contract. Waste of money and a roster spot.

Choupique · 08-18-2011, 08:51 PM

I trust our coaches and I think the Oline is better than some folks are giving them credit... but then I'm a loyal fan since day one.

homerj07 · 08-19-2011, 09:13 AM

Yes I trust the coaches BUT I am not sold on Bushrod!

SaintsBro · 08-19-2011, 10:59 AM

I think the most alarming trend that I saw developing last year, was the "invention" of this new thing where Drew tries to do a goofy Brett Favre style miracle "shovel pass" forward, right as he's being tackled with the ball. That's the type of play where something bad almost ALWAYS happens more often than something good. That one Drew threw in the second Falcons game was ugly ugly ugly. I would be interested to know more, about the X's and O's on that, to learn IF our situation at offensive tackle might have something to do with those kind of half-broken, almost idiotic "shuffle-pass" plays, which it seemed to me were suddenly happening on offense a bit more often last year, than I remember seeing them in previous years.

Luda34 · 08-19-2011, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I still wonder if someone like Max Starks could make the O-Line more solid?

I wouldn't mind bringing him in

08-18-2011, 04:17 PM	#11
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Originally Posted by SaintsBro BUT I think the real downside to this weakness, comes in what I call "scary" or "mean" games -- things like DeMarcus Ware in the Cowboys game in '09, or the second half of the Vikings NFC championship game in particular, where it's brutal, rough football with big mean ugly guys getting all up in Drew's face. Sometimes in games like that, I can sense that Drew does start to look kinda uncomfortable back there. ESPECIALLY the second half of the Vikings game! And that worries me, I feel like that's the situation where having a big burly offensive tackle out there would probably help. You bring up a good point here and one could make an argument that OT may be the most difficult position on the field to play with the way that defenses play and scheme nowdays. You cannot use your hands as much at tackle because they look for more holding around the edge of the tackle box. So maybe Payton has the right idea ... there aren't many, if any, Anthony Munoz or Willie Roaf calibre OT's in the league now. It's better to have solid guys and continuity than to overpay for a guy who might not really be that much better than what we have.

08-18-2011, 08:50 PM	#15
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 590	Alex Barron put on IR Saints put Alex Barron on injured reserve \| ProFootballTalk You know out of all the great moves Loomis did this off-season, this has to be the dumbest moves he made. Alex Barron was terrible for the Cowboys and for some reason we signed him to a contract. Waste of money and a roster spot.

08-18-2011, 08:51 PM	#16
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	I trust our coaches and I think the Oline is better than some folks are giving them credit... but then I'm a loyal fan since day one.
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08-19-2011, 11:02 AM	#19
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Originally Posted by FinSaint I still wonder if someone like Max Starks could make the O-Line more solid? I wouldn't mind bringing him in

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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	I still wonder if someone like Max Starks could make the O-Line more solid?

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Saints placed OT Alex Barron (knee) on injured reserve, ending his season. A false-start or holding penalty waiting to happen in his years as a Rams starter, Barron had been sidelined by a left knee injury in camp. He wasn't viewed as a legit possibility to step in for the recently released Jon Stinchcomb. Source: Howard Balzer on Twitter

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08-19-2011, 10:59 AM	#18
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	I think the most alarming trend that I saw developing last year, was the "invention" of this new thing where Drew tries to do a goofy Brett Favre style miracle "shovel pass" forward, right as he's being tackled with the ball. That's the type of play where something bad almost ALWAYS happens more often than something good. That one Drew threw in the second Falcons game was ugly ugly ugly. I would be interested to know more, about the X's and O's on that, to learn IF our situation at offensive tackle might have something to do with those kind of half-broken, almost idiotic "shuffle-pass" plays, which it seemed to me were suddenly happening on offense a bit more often last year, than I remember seeing them in previous years.