How do you feel about our new roster..What would you have done different?

09-05-2011, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

After watching our backups Thursday I'm not impressed with de la Puenta, Queddas and Amaya. They just didn't seem to look right on the field.jmho.
Also since we have Sproles and I don't think Roby does that well at WR it looks like he's a player that won't see much time.

To me de la Puenta looked much better in the Raiders game, and he did make some good plays in the Titans game... well of course except for the "free run" he gave in the safety.

Amaya also made some plays in that game, one textbook tackle near the sideline comes to mind in particular. I think he'll be a fine backup, who'll only become better with more time to learn GW's schemes.

Also, I remember watching Roby in the SF game more closely in plays where he lined up as a receiver, and he did run good crisp routes, which leads me to be optimistic about his potential to step up if needed.

But, needless to say, I agree with you that there are more concerns about each of them than I personally would like there to be.

BTW, did anyone watch the CST broadcast of the Titans game? They had Romeus starting as the RG... I almost choked on my beer when I saw it.

SaintsRule11 · 09-05-2011, 11:49 PM

I would have put Hartley on IR since he will miss at least half the season and I would have only put one fullback on the roster. This would have opened the door for another linebacker (Ramon Humber, who just got cut) and of course, the third tight end.

FinSaint · 09-06-2011, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11

I would have put Hartley on IR since he will miss at least half the season and I would have only put one fullback on the roster. This would have opened the door for another linebacker (Ramon Humber, who just got cut) and of course, the third tight end.

They now have 3 TEs with the addition of Gilmore. I think that having 2 FBs shows a commitment to the run game, but also an emphasis on the importance of versatility by the staff, because D. Thomas can play as a FB and K. Hall can play as a TE.

Granted, having 2 FBs is pretty much never heard of in these times, but if that gives the Saints the edge in having the ability to run over most O-Lines - then I'm all for it.

Saint_LB · 09-06-2011, 07:10 AM

What would I have done differently? I would have taught him not to crow at the crack of dawn...oh, wait...you said new "roster"...not "rooster".

Budsdrinker · 09-06-2011, 08:32 AM

I look for more changes especially after week 1. Possibly the return of Alex Brown and maybe even Sharper. Hartley placed on IR. The roster will definitley change by the home opener.

joker-saint · 09-06-2011, 06:46 PM

Keep Alex Brown and cut Andy Tanner from practice squad. Let Alex be on PS until his injury's subside then find a way to rotate him in with the current line up of DE's.

Danno · 09-06-2011, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by joker-saint

Keep Alex Brown and cut Andy Tanner from practice squad. Let Alex be on PS until his injury's subside then find a way to rotate him in with the current line up of DE's.

Alex Brown is inelligible for the practice squad.

joker-saint · 09-06-2011, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I look for more changes especially after week 1. Possibly the return of Alex Brown and maybe even Sharper. Hartley placed on IR. The roster will definitley change by the home opener.

I would love to see Sharper come back. Is he healthy enouph to play though? Who would we cut to bring Sarper back? Do you think we got a good deal for Bush? Is Jonathon Amaya really that good? 10 games with 15 tackles, 13 solo and 2 assists? What did Sean and Gregg see in this guy. Aside from the 1 FS he hasn't really done anything. Why couldn't we get a better trade? Maybe they just wanted a lower paid player to top off the extra draft picks we got from them? I feel like Amaya might be a project player for Williams. Hopefully he can develop into a great player. Maybe we can cut Dennis Landholt and rotate Sharper in to the defense while placing one of the younger guyson practice squad? Maybe Joique Bell to prctice squad to increase the number of strong safties, or shorten the depth at NT and put King on practice squad? Either way it is a very difficult decision to make keeping salary cap and depth in mind. We have a pretty solid line up on defense as it is, and each of those players have already proven they can play. Sharper hasn't played since the Seattle game last season and his health remains questionable.

joker-saint · 09-06-2011, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Alex Brown is inelligible for the practice squad.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that rule. How many years do they play before they cant be placed onpractice squad?

Danno · 09-06-2011, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by joker-saint

Oh yeah, I forgot about that rule. How many years do they play before they cant be placed onpractice squad?

Its about 2, but depends on how many times they're brought up on the active roster too.

FYI...

Section 1.
Practice Squads:

(a) The League may elect in any League Year in accordance with this Article to establish practice squads
not to exceed eight (8) players per Club. The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect
its election in any subsequent season.

(b) The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their practice squads one additional player,
who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the
United States and its Territories (“International Player”). The League’s election in any one season shall not
determine or affect its election in any subsequent season. Such International Players shall be subject to the same
terms and conditions of employment that apply to other practice players except that they (1) may not, during the
term of their practice player contract, negotiate or sign an NFL Player Contract with any Club; and (2) may not
practice with any Club following the last Conference Championship Game unless both Conference
Championship teams have such a player. In addition, notwithstanding the provisions of Section 4 below, such
International Player shall be eligible to serve on a Practice Squad for three additional seasons after the
completion of the player's year(s) as an International Player. As set forth in Article XXXIV, Section 3, the
weekly salary for such international players shall not be included in the employing Club's Team Salary and shall
be deducted from the calculation of the Salary Cap in the same manner as any Player Benefit.

Section 2.
Signing With Other Clubs:

(a) Any player under contract to a Club as a practice squad player shall be completely free to negotiate
and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during the League Year, to serve as a player on any
Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract
with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation
between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player shall not be
permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a practice squad player while under contract
as a practice squad player.

(b) Notwithstanding Subsection (a) above, a practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract
with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game
(except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game).

Section 3.
Salary:
Minimum salary for a practice squad player shall be $4,700 per week for the 2006-07
League Years, $5,200 per week for the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped
Year, and $5,700 per week for the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year,
including postseason weeks in which his Club is in the playoffs.

Section 4.
Eligibility:

(a) The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more
than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL
experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games
during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third
season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List
during the entire period of his employment.
(b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s
physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games
during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his
third Practice Squad season. (A bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after
the regular season or postseason weekend in question.)

Section 5.
Active List:
If a player on the Practice Squad of one club (Club A) signs an NFL Player Contract
with another club (Club B),

(1) the player shall receive three weeks salary of his NFL Player Contract at the 53-
player Active/Inactive List minimum even if he is terminated by Club B prior to earning that amount, and

(2)
Club B is required to count the player on its 53-player Active/Inactive List for three games (a bye week counts
as a game) even if he is terminated or assigned via waivers to another club or is signed as a free agent to another
club’s 53-player roster or another club’s Practice Squad prior to that time. If the player is terminated from Club
B’s 53-player roster and signed to Club B’s Practice Squad, he shall continue to count on the club’s 53-player
Active/Inactive List but shall not count against the eight-player Practice Squad limit until the three-game
requirement has been fulfilled. If a player is terminated prior to the completion of the three-game period and is
signed to Club B’s Practice Squad or is signed or assigned to another club’s 53-player roster or Practice Squad,
any salary (as that term is defined in Article XXIV, Section 1(c)) that he receives from any NFL club applicable
to the three-game period shall be an offset against the three weeks salary that he is entitled to receive from Club

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Put Hartley on IR	7	29.17%
Kept another TE	3	12.50%
Kept more 0-lineman	4	16.67%
Added help at Safety	5	20.83%
Bring in another LB	13	54.17%
None of the above ..please explain	2	8.33%
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09-05-2011, 05:14 PM	#21
Threaded by FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II After watching our backups Thursday I'm not impressed with de la Puenta, Queddas and Amaya. They just didn't seem to look right on the field.jmho. Also since we have Sproles and I don't think Roby does that well at WR it looks like he's a player that won't see much time. To me de la Puenta looked much better in the Raiders game, and he did make some good plays in the Titans game... well of course except for the "free run" he gave in the safety. Amaya also made some plays in that game, one textbook tackle near the sideline comes to mind in particular. I think he'll be a fine backup, who'll only become better with more time to learn GW's schemes. Also, I remember watching Roby in the SF game more closely in plays where he lined up as a receiver, and he did run good crisp routes, which leads me to be optimistic about his potential to step up if needed. But, needless to say, I agree with you that there are more concerns about each of them than I personally would like there to be. BTW, did anyone watch the CST broadcast of the Titans game? They had Romeus starting as the RG... I almost choked on my beer when I saw it. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-05-2011, 11:49 PM	#22
SaintsRule11 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 277	I would have put Hartley on IR since he will miss at least half the season and I would have only put one fullback on the roster. This would have opened the door for another linebacker (Ramon Humber, who just got cut) and of course, the third tight end.
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09-06-2011, 04:22 AM	#23
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 I would have put Hartley on IR since he will miss at least half the season and I would have only put one fullback on the roster. This would have opened the door for another linebacker (Ramon Humber, who just got cut) and of course, the third tight end. They now have 3 TEs with the addition of Gilmore. I think that having 2 FBs shows a commitment to the run game, but also an emphasis on the importance of versatility by the staff, because D. Thomas can play as a FB and K. Hall can play as a TE. Granted, having 2 FBs is pretty much never heard of in these times, but if that gives the Saints the edge in having the ability to run over most O-Lines - then I'm all for it.

09-06-2011, 07:10 AM	#24
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	What would I have done differently? I would have taught him not to crow at the crack of dawn...oh, wait...you said new "roster"...not "rooster".
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09-06-2011, 08:32 AM	#25
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	I look for more changes especially after week 1. Possibly the return of Alex Brown and maybe even Sharper. Hartley placed on IR. The roster will definitley change by the home opener. strato likes this.

09-06-2011, 06:46 PM	#26
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Keep Alex Brown and cut Andy Tanner from practice squad. Let Alex be on PS until his injury's subside then find a way to rotate him in with the current line up of DE's.

09-06-2011, 07:01 PM	#27
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by joker-saint Keep Alex Brown and cut Andy Tanner from practice squad. Let Alex be on PS until his injury's subside then find a way to rotate him in with the current line up of DE's. Alex Brown is inelligible for the practice squad.

09-06-2011, 07:03 PM	#28
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I look for more changes especially after week 1. Possibly the return of Alex Brown and maybe even Sharper. Hartley placed on IR. The roster will definitley change by the home opener. I would love to see Sharper come back. Is he healthy enouph to play though? Who would we cut to bring Sarper back? Do you think we got a good deal for Bush? Is Jonathon Amaya really that good? 10 games with 15 tackles, 13 solo and 2 assists? What did Sean and Gregg see in this guy. Aside from the 1 FS he hasn't really done anything. Why couldn't we get a better trade? Maybe they just wanted a lower paid player to top off the extra draft picks we got from them? I feel like Amaya might be a project player for Williams. Hopefully he can develop into a great player. Maybe we can cut Dennis Landholt and rotate Sharper in to the defense while placing one of the younger guyson practice squad? Maybe Joique Bell to prctice squad to increase the number of strong safties, or shorten the depth at NT and put King on practice squad? Either way it is a very difficult decision to make keeping salary cap and depth in mind. We have a pretty solid line up on defense as it is, and each of those players have already proven they can play. Sharper hasn't played since the Seattle game last season and his health remains questionable.

09-06-2011, 07:07 PM	#29
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Originally Posted by Danno Alex Brown is inelligible for the practice squad. Oh yeah, I forgot about that rule. How many years do they play before they cant be placed onpractice squad?

09-06-2011, 07:11 PM	#30
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by joker-saint Oh yeah, I forgot about that rule. How many years do they play before they cant be placed onpractice squad? Its about 2, but depends on how many times they're brought up on the active roster too. FYI... Section 1. Practice Squads: (a) The League may elect in any League Year in accordance with this Article to establish practice squads not to exceed eight (8) players per Club. The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season. (b) The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their practice squads one additional player, who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the United States and its Territories (“International Player”). The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season. Such International Players shall be subject to the same terms and conditions of employment that apply to other practice players except that they (1) may not, during the term of their practice player contract, negotiate or sign an NFL Player Contract with any Club; and (2) may not practice with any Club following the last Conference Championship Game unless both Conference Championship teams have such a player. In addition, notwithstanding the provisions of Section 4 below, such International Player shall be eligible to serve on a Practice Squad for three additional seasons after the completion of the player's year(s) as an International Player. As set forth in Article XXXIV, Section 3, the weekly salary for such international players shall not be included in the employing Club's Team Salary and shall be deducted from the calculation of the Salary Cap in the same manner as any Player Benefit. Section 2. Signing With Other Clubs: (a) Any player under contract to a Club as a practice squad player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during the League Year, to serve as a player on any Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player shall not be permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a practice squad player while under contract as a practice squad player. (b) Notwithstanding Subsection (a) above, a practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game (except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game). Section 3. Salary: Minimum salary for a practice squad player shall be $4,700 per week for the 2006-07 League Years, $5,200 per week for the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $5,700 per week for the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, including postseason weeks in which his Club is in the playoffs. Section 4. Eligibility: (a) The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. (b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (A bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.) Section 5. Active List: If a player on the Practice Squad of one club (Club A) signs an NFL Player Contract with another club (Club B), (1) the player shall receive three weeks salary of his NFL Player Contract at the 53- player Active/Inactive List minimum even if he is terminated by Club B prior to earning that amount, and (2) Club B is required to count the player on its 53-player Active/Inactive List for three games (a bye week counts as a game) even if he is terminated or assigned via waivers to another club or is signed as a free agent to another club’s 53-player roster or another club’s Practice Squad prior to that time. If the player is terminated from Club B’s 53-player roster and signed to Club B’s Practice Squad, he shall continue to count on the club’s 53-player Active/Inactive List but shall not count against the eight-player Practice Squad limit until the three-game requirement has been fulfilled. If a player is terminated prior to the completion of the three-game period and is signed to Club B’s Practice Squad or is signed or assigned to another club’s 53-player roster or Practice Squad, any salary (as that term is defined in Article XXIV, Section 1(c)) that he receives from any NFL club applicable to the three-game period shall be an offset against the three weeks salary that he is entitled to receive from Club

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