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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; There are two problems with your logic guys. First, let\'s compare Jake\'s numbers this year to Brooks\' numbers in 01, his first year as a starter. You\'ll see that Jake threw fewer INTs, had more yards per attempt, a better ...
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01-22-2004, 11:48 AM | #11 |
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Why the Colts QB?
There are two problems with your logic guys.
First, let\'s compare Jake\'s numbers this year to Brooks\' numbers in 01, his first year as a starter. You\'ll see that Jake threw fewer INTs, had more yards per attempt, a better completion percentage, and a higher QB rating... and more wins. I\'ve posted these numbers before, if you want me to go dig them up again to provide proof for these statements, just ask and I will. Second, Brooks is an athlete. He is supposed to have all this potential that will one day materialize. No one says that about Jake. So basically, Jake is being asked to not screw up. In fact, he is being a leader and playing better than most expected. He is OVERachieving in his FIRST season. Brooks, on the other hand, is being asked and paid to be a top five QB. He supposedly is much more gifted than Delhomme, yet his numbers aren\'t really that much better after three and a half years as a starter. Plus, he\'s not a top five QB. He is not performing up to expectations. He is not progressing as quickly as expected. He is not a good leader. He is UNDERachieving. So really, we\'re paying A LOT more for a guy who isn\'t doing much more and isn\'t living up to expectations. Give me a cheap overachieving leader over that any day. |
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01-22-2004, 11:56 AM | #12 |
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Why the Colts QB?
You want to talk about flawed logic? Try this out!!
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01-22-2004, 12:13 PM | #13 |
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I\'ll tell you what Billy. Go ask Belicheck or John Fox iif he would rather have lots of better than average to good players or a few super stars and tell me what their answer is. Then I\'ll address that last ridiculous statement. |
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[Edited on 22/1/2004 by BillyC] |
01-22-2004, 05:52 PM | #16 |
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I addressed the statement as ridiculous Billy, not the person.
\"Should we sign the cheapest QB on the market and somehow if he posts better numbers than someone who makes more money then you should be happy.\" I know you\'re smart enough to know that this isn\'t what I was saying. That statement is CLEARLY polarized and either sarcastic, antagonistic, or both. C\'mon Billy, your feelings aren\'t hurt and you\'re smarter than that. You were trying to rile me up or make me walk into a trap and I didn\'t. If your feelings are hurt, then I apologize. However, if you think I am dumb enough to make that statement then I\'m shocked and offended at your blantant disregard for my intelligence. (two can play that game BC).
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01-22-2004, 05:59 PM | #17 |
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Why the Colts QB?
I\'m curious to know...
(a) which players you consider to be better than average and (b) if you think Brooks\' contract has prevented the Saints from signing quality defensive players Sometimes we post vague statements (don\'t read that sarcastically). We\'re all guilty of doing that (yes, even you :P ) so I\'m curious to know if you really think Brooks\' contract (the numbers) has been otherwise detrimental to the Saints signing quality players. |
01-22-2004, 06:07 PM | #18 |
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Now I must take a break. All this Delhomme talk is going to get me in trouble!! |
01-22-2004, 11:19 PM | #19 |
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Why the Colts QB?
Saintfan, on the roster right now today I would have to say that Deuce, Horn, and Bentley are Pro Bowl caliber (either in their ability now or potential or both). AB is close, but I would classify him as good. Conwell is also a good TE, despite his off year. Boo Williams looks to be capable of being a very good player. Gandy is above average. Stallworth has potential to be great, although I won\'t suggest for a minute that it has materialized yet. Fontenot is above average to me - his physical ability is ailing, but he is very smart and experienced and that makes up for a lot.
Has Brooks\' contract prevented us from signing quality defensive players? Yes and no. The Saints have had the money and opportunity to sign many good players and passed. That\'s a Loomis and Haslett issue. Of course, Brooks is the highest payed player on our team, I believe, and yes, that definitely effects who you can or can\'t sign. Considering that he isn\'t playing to the level that his salary demands and the fact that I feel that he is one of the more easily replacable players on the offensive side of the ball, yes, he can be looked at a hinderance. That money signs us two serious defensive studs. That brings us closer to a Super Bowl to me than AB does. |
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01-23-2004, 10:14 AM | #20 |
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Why the Colts QB?
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C'mon Man...
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