Brees being sacked more this year than any other a Saint

Mardigras9 · 10-13-2011, 09:44 AM

I'm glad he's taking th sacks instead of trying to force something, thus less interceptions this year. Best QB in the league, no question.

FinSaint · 10-13-2011, 02:06 PM

The problem seems to be with the tackles, because the Saints have two of the best guards in the league and as already stated, De La Puente has filled in nicely as the center - actually to the point that I'm not sure if I'd want Kreutz back, because DLP is much stouter in the middle while Kreutz got pushed around somewhat.

Losing Strief was bad, but Brown has filled in better than I expected, still naturally that isn't saying much. I think most would agree that during the FA frenzy majority of us would've liked to see Goodwin stay if it came down to him and Bushrod, but this is what the Saints have now and it won't get better until the next draft and/or FA period.

Still, I don't think that the O-Line is as bad as some have stated - they're clearly not the best in the league, but still in the upper half. Additionally, I've been impressed with the blocking of the RBs - especially with Sproles with his stature.

strato · 10-13-2011, 03:22 PM

Ok i guess being around football for 35 years gives me no merit....so i will resort to stats

NFL Stats: by Team Category

CantonLegend · 10-13-2011, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Ok i guess being around football for 35 years gives me no merit....so i will resort to stats

NFL Stats: by Team Category

pass attempts 361...sacks 11

league rankings? 1st in pass attempts....14th in sacks given up

strato · 10-13-2011, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

pass attempts 361...sacks 11

league rankings? 1st in pass attempts....14th in sacks given up

But where do we rank overall?..and if de la Puenta is terrible as you say..wouldn't that be sticking your foot in your mouth?..being he has played in 3 games? The pass attempts versus sacks just PROVES Drew make them look better than they are by stepping up and avoiding the rush..

CantonLegend · 10-13-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by strato

But where do we rank overall?..and if de la Puenta is terrible as you say..wouldn't that be sticking your foot in your mouth?..being he has played in 3 games?

the line is playing well as a whole...that doesnt mean that individually they cant do better tho.

DLP is grading as our worst lineman right now. he gave up a sack against carolina too

strato · 10-13-2011, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the line is playing well as a whole...that doesnt mean that individually they cant do better tho.

DLP is grading as our worst lineman right now. he gave up a sack against carolina too

I disagree ..he might have gave up a sack..but even with help Brown is the weakest link in my honest opinion..and Strief should win that job back..

saintfan · 10-13-2011, 03:58 PM

I think if we were to take some stats of this thread nobody would be surprised.

saintfan · 10-13-2011, 04:03 PM

Canton, here's a life lesson for you. It is clear to me that you do not already know this. With all sincerity I bequeath to you the following:

Statistics are:
A way to organize data. Period. That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Statistics are not:
The end all by which one proves or disproves a thing. This is because, as any inking of research on your part will reveal, it isn't the data, but rather it is how you perceive the data.

Now you either get that or you don't.

Let me ask you a question: Do you believe in God? Whether yes or no be your answer, prove your stance statistically.

You can't. Your argument is bunk. Here endeth the lesson.

CantonLegend · 10-13-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Canton, here's a life lesson for you. It is clear to me that you do not already know this. With all sincerity I bequeath to you the following:

Statistics are:
A way to organize data. Period. That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Statistics are not:
The end all by which one proves or disproves a thing. This is because, as any inking of research on your part will reveal, it isn't the data, but rather it is how you perceive the data.

Now you either get that or you don't.

Let me ask you a question: Do you believe in God? Whether yes or no be your answer, prove your stance statistically.

You can't. Your argument is bunk. Here endeth the lesson.

fwiw im agnostic. i dont know if god is real and i wouldnt even try to think one way or another. the point is that you cant prove ur stance whether he is real or not without stats

stats are facts that i can use to back up my opinion

what kind of facts are you using to back up ur opinions?

10-13-2011, 09:44 AM	#1
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	I'm glad he's taking th sacks instead of trying to force something, thus less interceptions this year. Best QB in the league, no question. 73Saint likes this.

10-13-2011, 02:06 PM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	The problem seems to be with the tackles, because the Saints have two of the best guards in the league and as already stated, De La Puente has filled in nicely as the center - actually to the point that I'm not sure if I'd want Kreutz back, because DLP is much stouter in the middle while Kreutz got pushed around somewhat. Losing Strief was bad, but Brown has filled in better than I expected, still naturally that isn't saying much. I think most would agree that during the FA frenzy majority of us would've liked to see Goodwin stay if it came down to him and Bushrod, but this is what the Saints have now and it won't get better until the next draft and/or FA period. Still, I don't think that the O-Line is as bad as some have stated - they're clearly not the best in the league, but still in the upper half. Additionally, I've been impressed with the blocking of the RBs - especially with Sproles with his stature.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

10-13-2011, 03:25 PM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by strato Ok i guess being around football for 35 years gives me no merit....so i will resort to stats NFL Stats: by Team Category pass attempts 361...sacks 11 league rankings? 1st in pass attempts....14th in sacks given up

10-13-2011, 03:28 PM	#5
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CantonLegend pass attempts 361...sacks 11 league rankings? 1st in pass attempts....14th in sacks given up But where do we rank overall?..and if de la Puenta is terrible as you say..wouldn't that be sticking your foot in your mouth?..being he has played in 3 games? The pass attempts versus sacks just PROVES Drew make them look better than they are by stepping up and avoiding the rush..

10-13-2011, 03:33 PM	#6
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by strato But where do we rank overall?..and if de la Puenta is terrible as you say..wouldn't that be sticking your foot in your mouth?..being he has played in 3 games? the line is playing well as a whole...that doesnt mean that individually they cant do better tho. DLP is grading as our worst lineman right now. he gave up a sack against carolina too

10-13-2011, 03:22 PM	#3
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Ok i guess being around football for 35 years gives me no merit....so i will resort to stats NFL Stats: by Team Category

10-13-2011, 03:37 PM	#7
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CantonLegend the line is playing well as a whole...that doesnt mean that individually they cant do better tho. DLP is grading as our worst lineman right now. he gave up a sack against carolina too I disagree ..he might have gave up a sack..but even with help Brown is the weakest link in my honest opinion..and Strief should win that job back..

10-13-2011, 03:58 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	I think if we were to take some stats of this thread nobody would be surprised.

10-13-2011, 04:03 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Canton, here's a life lesson for you. It is clear to me that you do not already know this. With all sincerity I bequeath to you the following: Statistics are: A way to organize data. Period. That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less. Statistics are not: The end all by which one proves or disproves a thing. This is because, as any inking of research on your part will reveal, it isn't the data, but rather it is how you perceive the data. Now you either get that or you don't. Let me ask you a question: Do you believe in God? Whether yes or no be your answer, prove your stance statistically. You can't. Your argument is bunk. Here endeth the lesson.
	C'mon Man...

10-13-2011, 04:09 PM	#10
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by saintfan Canton, here's a life lesson for you. It is clear to me that you do not already know this. With all sincerity I bequeath to you the following: Statistics are: A way to organize data. Period. That is all. Nothing more. Nothing less. Statistics are not: The end all by which one proves or disproves a thing. This is because, as any inking of research on your part will reveal, it isn't the data, but rather it is how you perceive the data. Now you either get that or you don't. Let me ask you a question: Do you believe in God? Whether yes or no be your answer, prove your stance statistically. You can't. Your argument is bunk. Here endeth the lesson. fwiw im agnostic. i dont know if god is real and i wouldnt even try to think one way or another. the point is that you cant prove ur stance whether he is real or not without stats stats are facts that i can use to back up my opinion what kind of facts are you using to back up ur opinions?

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