Its time... FIRE GREG WILLIAMS

Cruize · 10-17-2011, 08:43 AM

The Saints have no playmakers. The Saints don't have a NFL quality pass rusher. The Saints have one NFL quality linebacker. One of the Saints safties is a complete liability in coverage. The other safety is inconsistent and has hands of stone. I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching myself. No NFL team can have a game in which they have four turnovers and create none and win. The Saints had four turnovers yesterday and lost by six on the road to a good team. One could argue that Williams did a great job at keeping the game within reach yesterday.

Euphoria · 10-17-2011, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

The Saints have no playmakers. The Saints don't have a NFL quality pass rusher. The Saints have one NFL quality linebacker. One of the Saints safties is a complete liability in coverage. The other safety is inconsistent and has hands of stone. I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching myself. No NFL team can have a game in which they have four turnovers and create none and win. The Saints had four turnovers yesterday and lost by six on the road to a good team. One could argue that Williams did a great job at keeping the game within reach yesterday.

Good points but... its the DC fault.

They also said they had the best roster they have had since being with the Saints. I don't see that myself just like you pointed out. Why didn't they keep Sharper???

I am not calling out our D for one week of play I am calling them out for 6-7 weeks of this crap.

Euphoria · 10-17-2011, 08:44 AM

I call it like I see it.

I don't think we should be ok with the performance of our D. And so far this season the unit that has been very disappointing and frustrating is our defense. Deny that???

All this credibility Greg Williams has got is totally over blown and doesn't deserve it any longer.

Like I said anyone can call up blitz's every down but coaching a D and teaching... that is a little different.

fhotard · 10-17-2011, 08:46 AM

Bad performances all around...
Turnovers!
Missed tackles!
Horrible run blocking by the O line!
And yes, even Poor officiating!

This game was a disaster in almost ever phase.
And, yet, they still had a shot to win it at the end. The Saints are a good team, with lots of talent, but they sure as hell need to execute better.

papz · 10-17-2011, 08:53 AM

I'm just calling it how I see it.

Why isn't Sharper on anyone's roster right now? Ask yourself that.

I'm willing to bet if he could actually pass a physical right now, he'd be on someone's roster. He's about to be 36 years old and had knee surgery during the offseason. I'm sure we all can put two and two together.

strato · 10-17-2011, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm just calling it how I see it.

Why isn't Sharper on anyone's roster right now? Ask yourself that.

I'm willing to bet if he could actually pass a physical right now, he'd be on someone's roster. He's about to be 36 years old and had knee surgery during the offseason. I'm sure we all can put two and two together.

Maybe so Papz..but we sure could use his exp back there...last i read he was fine and ready to go...he just makes plays..sometimes just being smart makes up for being a physical specimen..our CBs have looked horrible without him getting them in position...just a thought i think we have to look at..kinda like if we lose Vilma..that exp is invaluable .

Euphoria · 10-17-2011, 08:56 AM

If I tell you we won't win another Super Bowl with Greg Williams as DC, would you say lets move on and get someone else?

Not saying that just yet because there is hope we we can get someone in to assist in teaching our players how to tackle, how to play D and "bend don't break mentality". Wait wasn't that the plan when Gibbs was here hmmm.

We shouldn't depend on our offense being so perfect, putting up 400 yards passing each week and 50 points each week to win. There are other players on this team and coaches who are getting paid good money to do something other than filling a roster spot.

I can go out there on D and give you 50 percent until it counts! I can let a team hang around and hope Brees win it for us. Geez that is easy...
If Brees makes a mistake we have others to help make it up... WE DON'T.

papz · 10-17-2011, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

If I tell you we won't win another Super Bowl with Greg Williams as DC, would you say lets move on and get someone else?

No because it's just an opinion and you can't forecast the future. What I do know is that Payton and Loomis have faith in him and because of it, I do too. Afterall, it did win us a Superbowl.

Not saying that just yet because there is hope we we can get someone in to assist in teaching our players how to tackle, how to play D and "bend don't break mentality". Wait wasn't that the plan when Gibbs was here hmmm.

We shouldn't depend on our offense being so perfect, putting up 400 yards passing each week and 50 points each week to win. There are other players on this team and coaches who are getting paid good money to do something other than filling a roster spot.

I can go out there on D and give you 50 percent until it counts! I can let a team hang around and hope Brees win it for us. Geez that is easy...
If Brees makes a mistake we have others to help make it up... WE DON'T.

I can agree with most of these points. Still, I'm not even close of jumping ship. The track record and results have been there. I'm more concerned about turning the ball over than our defense. You lose the turnover battle, you lose the game. Fact. It's actually quite surprising and commendable that our defense didn't give up 40 given how bad they played leading some to believe... there is light at the end of the tunnel.

strato · 10-17-2011, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by papz

No because it's just an opinion and you can't forecast the future. What I do know is that Payton and Loomis have faith in him and because of it, I do too. Afterall, it did win us a Superbowl.

I can agree with most of these points. Still, I'm not even close of jumping ship. The track record and results have been there. I'm more concerned about turning the ball over than our defense. You lose the turnover battle, you lose the game. Fact. It's actually quite surprising and commendable that our defense didn't give up 40 given how bad they played leading some to believe... there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Only one of the INTs was Drews fault..PT coughed it up on the other...but still you cant win like that..

papz · 10-17-2011, 09:00 AM

I agree. We could use his experience back there and I think he'd be extremely helpful putting opinions in Jenkins/Harper's ear. I just don't believe with what he's been through and his age, that he'd be helpful on the field. I'd love to have him here as some sort of player coach.

10-17-2011, 08:43 AM	#1
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,459	The Saints have no playmakers. The Saints don't have a NFL quality pass rusher. The Saints have one NFL quality linebacker. One of the Saints safties is a complete liability in coverage. The other safety is inconsistent and has hands of stone. I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching myself. No NFL team can have a game in which they have four turnovers and create none and win. The Saints had four turnovers yesterday and lost by six on the road to a good team. One could argue that Williams did a great job at keeping the game within reach yesterday. strato and Michigan_SF like this.
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10-17-2011, 08:46 AM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Cruize The Saints have no playmakers. The Saints don't have a NFL quality pass rusher. The Saints have one NFL quality linebacker. One of the Saints safties is a complete liability in coverage. The other safety is inconsistent and has hands of stone. I think it's more of a lack of talent than coaching myself. No NFL team can have a game in which they have four turnovers and create none and win. The Saints had four turnovers yesterday and lost by six on the road to a good team. One could argue that Williams did a great job at keeping the game within reach yesterday. Good points but... its the DC fault. They also said they had the best roster they have had since being with the Saints. I don't see that myself just like you pointed out. Why didn't they keep Sharper??? I am not calling out our D for one week of play I am calling them out for 6-7 weeks of this crap. SaintsRule11 likes this.

10-17-2011, 08:53 AM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	I'm just calling it how I see it. Why isn't Sharper on anyone's roster right now? Ask yourself that. I'm willing to bet if he could actually pass a physical right now, he'd be on someone's roster. He's about to be 36 years old and had knee surgery during the offseason. I'm sure we all can put two and two together. st thomas likes this.

10-17-2011, 08:57 AM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by papz I'm just calling it how I see it. Why isn't Sharper on anyone's roster right now? Ask yourself that. I'm willing to bet if he could actually pass a physical right now, he'd be on someone's roster. He's about to be 36 years old and had knee surgery during the offseason. I'm sure we all can put two and two together. Maybe so Papz..but we sure could use his exp back there...last i read he was fine and ready to go...he just makes plays..sometimes just being smart makes up for being a physical specimen..our CBs have looked horrible without him getting them in position...just a thought i think we have to look at..kinda like if we lose Vilma..that exp is invaluable . SaintsRule11 likes this.

10-17-2011, 08:56 AM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	If I tell you we won't win another Super Bowl with Greg Williams as DC, would you say lets move on and get someone else? Not saying that just yet because there is hope we we can get someone in to assist in teaching our players how to tackle, how to play D and "bend don't break mentality". Wait wasn't that the plan when Gibbs was here hmmm. We shouldn't depend on our offense being so perfect, putting up 400 yards passing each week and 50 points each week to win. There are other players on this team and coaches who are getting paid good money to do something other than filling a roster spot. I can go out there on D and give you 50 percent until it counts! I can let a team hang around and hope Brees win it for us. Geez that is easy... If Brees makes a mistake we have others to help make it up... WE DON'T. SaintsRule11 likes this.
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10-17-2011, 08:44 AM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I call it like I see it. I don't think we should be ok with the performance of our D. And so far this season the unit that has been very disappointing and frustrating is our defense. Deny that??? All this credibility Greg Williams has got is totally over blown and doesn't deserve it any longer. Like I said anyone can call up blitz's every down but coaching a D and teaching... that is a little different.

10-17-2011, 08:46 AM	#4
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Bad performances all around... Turnovers! Missed tackles! Horrible run blocking by the O line! And yes, even Poor officiating! This game was a disaster in almost ever phase. And, yet, they still had a shot to win it at the end. The Saints are a good team, with lots of talent, but they sure as hell need to execute better.

10-17-2011, 09:05 AM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Originally Posted by Euphoria If I tell you we won't win another Super Bowl with Greg Williams as DC, would you say lets move on and get someone else? No because it's just an opinion and you can't forecast the future. What I do know is that Payton and Loomis have faith in him and because of it, I do too. Afterall, it did win us a Superbowl. Not saying that just yet because there is hope we we can get someone in to assist in teaching our players how to tackle, how to play D and "bend don't break mentality". Wait wasn't that the plan when Gibbs was here hmmm. We shouldn't depend on our offense being so perfect, putting up 400 yards passing each week and 50 points each week to win. There are other players on this team and coaches who are getting paid good money to do something other than filling a roster spot. I can go out there on D and give you 50 percent until it counts! I can let a team hang around and hope Brees win it for us. Geez that is easy... If Brees makes a mistake we have others to help make it up... WE DON'T. I can agree with most of these points. Still, I'm not even close of jumping ship. The track record and results have been there. I'm more concerned about turning the ball over than our defense. You lose the turnover battle, you lose the game. Fact. It's actually quite surprising and commendable that our defense didn't give up 40 given how bad they played leading some to believe... there is light at the end of the tunnel. strato and SaintsRule11 like this.
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10-17-2011, 09:09 AM	#9
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by papz No because it's just an opinion and you can't forecast the future. What I do know is that Payton and Loomis have faith in him and because of it, I do too. Afterall, it did win us a Superbowl. I can agree with most of these points. Still, I'm not even close of jumping ship. The track record and results have been there. I'm more concerned about turning the ball over than our defense. You lose the turnover battle, you lose the game. Fact. It's actually quite surprising and commendable that our defense didn't give up 40 given how bad they played leading some to believe... there is light at the end of the tunnel. Only one of the INTs was Drews fault..PT coughed it up on the other...but still you cant win like that..

10-17-2011, 09:00 AM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	I agree. We could use his experience back there and I think he'd be extremely helpful putting opinions in Jenkins/Harper's ear. I just don't believe with what he's been through and his age, that he'd be helpful on the field. I'd love to have him here as some sort of player coach. strato and SaintsRule11 like this.

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