Its time... FIRE GREG WILLIAMS

jnormand · 10-17-2011, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11

I'm not sure firing Gregg Williams is the answer, but I can tell you this: In my fantasy football league I do not hesitate playing people from whichever offense is facing the Saints that particular week. We can't stop anyone and we are getting no turnovers whatsoever (unless Cam Newton throws the ball directly to Patrick Robinson, for instance).

Ick. You start players that we actually have as opponents that week? Bad ju ju brah. Actually my entire fantasy team is all Saints. Thats prob going to far but oh well.

SaintsRule11 · 10-17-2011, 09:54 AM

Am I alone in thinking we should have made a stronger push for Cullen Jenkins? Whenever a big supposed playmaker, like Shaun Rogers for instance, comes to New Orleans, it's because they "turned down more money" somewhere else. We should have offered Jenkins a big fat contract. And I was pissed we let Remi Ayodele go for not that much money. And Scott Fujita. And others.

The Dude · 10-17-2011, 10:13 AM

I agree with Danno. Our Oline and turnovers killed us. The defense is pretty bad, but I think its more of a personnell thing. We did not address the needs we should have during the offseason. If we do not get some talent this offseason on Defense I will blame the FO.

SaintsRule11 · 10-17-2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I agree with Danno. Our Oline and turnovers killed us. The defense is pretty bad, but I think its more of a personnell thing. We did not address the needs we should have during the offseason. If we do not get some talent this offseason on Defense I will blame the FO.

I disagree. We addressed all of our needs in both free agency and the draft. We wanted run-stuffers: we got Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin. We wanted pass rushers: we drafted Cam Jordan and Martez Wilson.

We can only go so far in blaming personnel. We got some great people both in free agency and in the draft. The responsibility falls on Gregg Williams to direct his players to do good things. I think the real problem is that Williams' defense has become too predictable. Opposing teams always seem to know exactly what is coming on every down.

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-17-2011, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11

I disagree. We addressed all of our needs in both free agency and the draft. We wanted run-stuffers: we got Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin. We wanted pass rushers: we drafted Cam Jordan and Martez Wilson.

We can only go so far in blaming personnel. We got some great people both in free agency and in the draft. The responsibility falls on Gregg Williams to direct his players to do good things. I think the real problem is that Williams' defense has become too predictable. Opposing teams always seem to know exactly what is coming on every down.

Good gosh, whomever executed the plans to get people to stuff the run and rush the passer did an awful job, because the Saints D is mediocre at BOTH of those skills.

RaginCajun83 · 10-17-2011, 10:18 AM

Thought this was the most talent GW had with the Saints, well 1. Sharper isn't here 2. Ever stop and think that these "big" upgrades just wanted their money, the guys let go (Remi, Hargrove) played with heart. Thats one thing I see missing from the D, no heart and desire

Kryptonite · 10-17-2011, 10:25 AM

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I'm 99.9% sure that GW focuses on individual tackling and pressuring the opposing QB, when they are running drills. But he can't enter their bodies and do it for them. I said it once and I'll keep saying it, where in the hell is Vilma? Although, no one on the defense is looking worth anything.

Defense has had one decent game....Chicago. Offense has had one decent game...Chicago. hmmm....

I'm just saying!

jnormand · 10-17-2011, 10:29 AM

It's not like the coaches didn't try to make our defense better. I mean they went out and signed two defensive linemen that were supposed to be awesome! Franklin and Rogers. Unfortunately they really don't make much of an impact. The only thing Sed has done is use them as a reason to get fat.

SmashMouth · 10-17-2011, 10:36 AM

It's pretty simple... no turnovers, we win in a landslide ... while our defense isn't top five caliber, it does not need to be with our offense. If we cut down on mistakes, it's a non-issue. Our O-line is letting people through, however... is it center related, perhaps? And let us not forget that we also have some young talent on the defense that is still developing.

FireVenturi · 10-17-2011, 11:10 AM

Get rid of GW. Thats funny to blame the D when the O had 4 turnovers and we couldn't protect the qb or open up holes in the running game.

10-17-2011, 09:56 AM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 I'm not sure firing Gregg Williams is the answer, but I can tell you this: In my fantasy football league I do not hesitate playing people from whichever offense is facing the Saints that particular week. We can't stop anyone and we are getting no turnovers whatsoever (unless Cam Newton throws the ball directly to Patrick Robinson, for instance). Ick. You start players that we actually have as opponents that week? Bad ju ju brah. Actually my entire fantasy team is all Saints. Thats prob going to far but oh well.

10-17-2011, 09:54 AM	#2
SaintsRule11 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 277	Am I alone in thinking we should have made a stronger push for Cullen Jenkins? Whenever a big supposed playmaker, like Shaun Rogers for instance, comes to New Orleans, it's because they "turned down more money" somewhere else. We should have offered Jenkins a big fat contract. And I was pissed we let Remi Ayodele go for not that much money. And Scott Fujita. And others.
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10-17-2011, 10:13 AM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	I agree with Danno. Our Oline and turnovers killed us. The defense is pretty bad, but I think its more of a personnell thing. We did not address the needs we should have during the offseason. If we do not get some talent this offseason on Defense I will blame the FO.
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10-17-2011, 10:42 AM	#4
SaintsRule11 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 277	Originally Posted by The Dude I agree with Danno. Our Oline and turnovers killed us. The defense is pretty bad, but I think its more of a personnell thing. We did not address the needs we should have during the offseason. If we do not get some talent this offseason on Defense I will blame the FO. I disagree. We addressed all of our needs in both free agency and the draft. We wanted run-stuffers: we got Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin. We wanted pass rushers: we drafted Cam Jordan and Martez Wilson. We can only go so far in blaming personnel. We got some great people both in free agency and in the draft. The responsibility falls on Gregg Williams to direct his players to do good things. I think the real problem is that Williams' defense has become too predictable. Opposing teams always seem to know exactly what is coming on every down.
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10-17-2011, 10:51 AM	#5
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 I disagree. We addressed all of our needs in both free agency and the draft. We wanted run-stuffers: we got Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin. We wanted pass rushers: we drafted Cam Jordan and Martez Wilson. We can only go so far in blaming personnel. We got some great people both in free agency and in the draft. The responsibility falls on Gregg Williams to direct his players to do good things. I think the real problem is that Williams' defense has become too predictable. Opposing teams always seem to know exactly what is coming on every down. Good gosh, whomever executed the plans to get people to stuff the run and rush the passer did an awful job, because the Saints D is mediocre at BOTH of those skills.

10-17-2011, 10:18 AM	#6
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Thought this was the most talent GW had with the Saints, well 1. Sharper isn't here 2. Ever stop and think that these "big" upgrades just wanted their money, the guys let go (Remi, Hargrove) played with heart. Thats one thing I see missing from the D, no heart and desire TheKillerBs, strato and SaintsRule11 like this.

10-17-2011, 10:25 AM	#7
Kryptonite DAMMIT BOY! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Crestview, FL via S'port LA Posts: 197	You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I'm 99.9% sure that GW focuses on individual tackling and pressuring the opposing QB, when they are running drills. But he can't enter their bodies and do it for them. I said it once and I'll keep saying it, where in the hell is Vilma? Although, no one on the defense is looking worth anything. Defense has had one decent game....Chicago. Offense has had one decent game...Chicago. hmmm.... I'm just saying!

10-17-2011, 10:29 AM	#8
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	It's not like the coaches didn't try to make our defense better. I mean they went out and signed two defensive linemen that were supposed to be awesome! Franklin and Rogers. Unfortunately they really don't make much of an impact. The only thing Sed has done is use them as a reason to get fat.

10-17-2011, 10:36 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	It's pretty simple... no turnovers, we win in a landslide ... while our defense isn't top five caliber, it does not need to be with our offense. If we cut down on mistakes, it's a non-issue. Our O-line is letting people through, however... is it center related, perhaps? And let us not forget that we also have some young talent on the defense that is still developing. SaintsRule11 likes this.

10-17-2011, 11:10 AM	#10
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Get rid of GW. Thats funny to blame the D when the O had 4 turnovers and we couldn't protect the qb or open up holes in the running game. strato likes this.

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