Should Kreutz be benched?

saintfan · 10-17-2011, 01:20 PM

Um...we've had issues running the ball for a decade.

jcp026 · 10-17-2011, 01:28 PM

Maybe he should be benched. We'll see what happens.

CantonLegend · 10-17-2011, 01:50 PM

actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season

hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge and hes actually an upgrade from goodwin in the run game

DLP didnt play any better...what did happen was we played 2 pretty poor run defenses when kreutz was out. tampa is actually pretty good at stopping the run and it showed against us as well

spkb25 · 10-17-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season

hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge and hes actually an upgrade from goodwin in the run game

DLP didnt play any better...what did happen was we played 2 pretty poor run defenses when kreutz was out. tampa is actually pretty good at stopping the run and it showed against us as well

They're mediocre. 18TH in the NFL, and 9th in the NFC. Not horrible, not great. Okay.

Danno · 10-21-2011, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season

hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge and hes actually an upgrade from goodwin in the run game

DLP didnt play any better...what did happen was we played 2 pretty poor run defenses when kreutz was out. tampa is actually pretty good at stopping the run and it showed against us as well

disagree

saintfan · 10-21-2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season

hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge...

SaintsRule11 · 10-17-2011, 02:00 PM

De La Puente seems more effective.

darstep · 10-17-2011, 02:09 PM

Perhaps Sean's other senses get enhanced with this pedestrian set back.
The backs all look healthy, but they can't even get to the line of scrimmage sometimes.
Especially on short yardage, predetermined run situations. Its rediculous.
I just don't think Payton puts the same amount of energy into the run schemes, and it shows.
Most run plays look like a rugby scuffle with us coming up on the short end of the whistle.
Now, we've got a bunch of new blood up front on both sides of the ball.
Both brand new and refurbished talent trying to pick up on how SP/GW does things.
Perhaps it may take more than six weeks or so for them to gel as cohesive units.
Maybe Sean Payton does need to make some changes.
Maybe Ivory doesn't even need blocking up front to get 6-8.
Maybe Tom Johnson gets his game breath and starts clearing the middle like a black hole.
Maybe the whole group is finally sick and tired of being sick and tired of playing sickly and tired.
Let's see how they handle a sick and tired, winless Colts team.

beau13 · 10-17-2011, 03:29 PM

I think the offensive line is lacking in leadership. Stinch was the leader of the O-line and no one has stepped up to take on that role. Thought it would be Evans, but that's not happening. I know it is Drew's team, but each group has it's own leader, it is time for somebody to step up.

FinSaint · 10-18-2011, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by beau13

I think the offensive line is lacking in leadership. Stinch was the leader of the O-line and no one has stepped up to take on that role. Thought it would be Evans, but that's not happening. I know it is Drew's team, but each group has it's own leader, it is time for somebody to step up.

To follow up on your sentiment... I thought that it was weird that Kreutz immediately was wearing the captain's patch in the season opener against the Packers, because I would've thought that, for example, one of the guards would've stepped up as the leader - of the O-line at least.

But I can't recall Kreutz having the patch anymore, so he must have lost it somewhere along the way... anyway, I thought that Brees, Vilma, and Roby were the captains of the 3 teams, but I know Smith has also worn the C at times.

And to comment on the original question of the thread - I would like to see DLP take that center position from Kreutz simply because he was able to create push from the middle, which Kreutz hasn't been able to do in any of the games he has played for the Saints. This was one of the biggest complaints the Bears' fans also had about him... being undersized and getting pushed back or even on to his back by the D-linemen.

10-17-2011, 01:28 PM	#2
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10-17-2011, 03:43 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Originally Posted by CantonLegend actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge and hes actually an upgrade from goodwin in the run game DLP didnt play any better...what did happen was we played 2 pretty poor run defenses when kreutz was out. tampa is actually pretty good at stopping the run and it showed against us as well They're mediocre. 18TH in the NFL, and 9th in the NFC. Not horrible, not great. Okay.

10-21-2011, 05:12 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Originally Posted by CantonLegend actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge and hes actually an upgrade from goodwin in the run game DLP didnt play any better...what did happen was we played 2 pretty poor run defenses when kreutz was out. tampa is actually pretty good at stopping the run and it showed against us as well disagree

10-21-2011, 05:46 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by CantonLegend actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge...

10-17-2011, 02:00 PM	#7
SaintsRule11 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 277	De La Puente seems more effective.
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10-17-2011, 01:20 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Um...we've had issues running the ball for a decade.

10-17-2011, 01:50 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	actually kreutz is one of our better linemen this season hes continuing to open lanes for drew to step up even when our tackles are letting pressure get around the edge and hes actually an upgrade from goodwin in the run game DLP didnt play any better...what did happen was we played 2 pretty poor run defenses when kreutz was out. tampa is actually pretty good at stopping the run and it showed against us as well

10-17-2011, 02:09 PM	#8
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Perhaps Sean's other senses get enhanced with this pedestrian set back. The backs all look healthy, but they can't even get to the line of scrimmage sometimes. Especially on short yardage, predetermined run situations. Its rediculous. I just don't think Payton puts the same amount of energy into the run schemes, and it shows. Most run plays look like a rugby scuffle with us coming up on the short end of the whistle. Now, we've got a bunch of new blood up front on both sides of the ball. Both brand new and refurbished talent trying to pick up on how SP/GW does things. Perhaps it may take more than six weeks or so for them to gel as cohesive units. Maybe Sean Payton does need to make some changes. Maybe Ivory doesn't even need blocking up front to get 6-8. Maybe Tom Johnson gets his game breath and starts clearing the middle like a black hole. Maybe the whole group is finally sick and tired of being sick and tired of playing sickly and tired. Let's see how they handle a sick and tired, winless Colts team. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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10-17-2011, 03:29 PM	#9
beau13 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Atlanta Posts: 19	I think the offensive line is lacking in leadership. Stinch was the leader of the O-line and no one has stepped up to take on that role. Thought it would be Evans, but that's not happening. I know it is Drew's team, but each group has it's own leader, it is time for somebody to step up.

10-18-2011, 06:40 AM	#10
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by beau13 I think the offensive line is lacking in leadership. Stinch was the leader of the O-line and no one has stepped up to take on that role. Thought it would be Evans, but that's not happening. I know it is Drew's team, but each group has it's own leader, it is time for somebody to step up. To follow up on your sentiment... I thought that it was weird that Kreutz immediately was wearing the captain's patch in the season opener against the Packers, because I would've thought that, for example, one of the guards would've stepped up as the leader - of the O-line at least. But I can't recall Kreutz having the patch anymore, so he must have lost it somewhere along the way... anyway, I thought that Brees, Vilma, and Roby were the captains of the 3 teams, but I know Smith has also worn the C at times. And to comment on the original question of the thread - I would like to see DLP take that center position from Kreutz simply because he was able to create push from the middle, which Kreutz hasn't been able to do in any of the games he has played for the Saints. This was one of the biggest complaints the Bears' fans also had about him... being undersized and getting pushed back or even on to his back by the D-linemen.
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