Would you trade for Asante Samuel?

darstep · 10-18-2011, 04:51 PM

Sure we have 14 sacks, 11 of those were on Cutler.
We are getting no pressure from the front 4 and MOST times with 6 we don't get there.
That leaves us vulnerable beyond 3.5 seconds, especially if we bring the house.
Very few DB's in the league can cover for more than 3.5 seconds.
Once the QB slips away, and there's a free for all down field, we are toast.
Now somebody has to make a tackle up field, probably somebody slow, with no angle.
Our troubles are front side. Our front 4 are last on the tackle list every week,
and our DB's are first on the list, every week. We are giving up 5.1 per rush.
After run support, our DB's have nothing left for pass coverage.
I would give up Hartley for Samuels.

Danno · 10-18-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Sure we have 14 sacks, 11 of those were on Cutler.
We are getting no pressure from the front 4 and MOST times with 6 we don't get there.
That leaves us vulnerable beyond 3.5 seconds, especially if we bring the house.
Very few DB's in the league can cover for more than 3.5 seconds.
Once the QB slips away, and there's a free for all down field, we are toast.
Now somebody has to make a tackle up field, probably somebody slow, with no angle.
Our troubles are front side. Our front 4 are last on the tackle list every week,
and our DB's are first on the list, every week. We are giving up 5.1 per rush.
After run support, our DB's have nothing left for pass coverage.
I would give up Hartley for Samuels.

Excellent points. Omitting the Cutler sacks (he's on pace to shatter the NFL sacked record) we're averaging 1.6 sacks per game. Jared Allen (that guy everyone made fun of) has more sacks than our entire team.

Thats pathetic.

Euphoria · 10-18-2011, 05:49 PM

Its pointless debating what we need on D.

I mean we need everything don't we? Can't stop the run, can get a pass rush and can't cover a soul.

Before we make any trades we should get Sharper back even if he can't go being on the sideline is an improvement.

foreverfan · 10-18-2011, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Its pointless debating what we need on D.

I mean we need everything don't we? Can't stop the run, can get a pass rush and can't cover a soul.

Before we make any trades we should get Sharper back even if he can't go being on the sideline is an improvement.

At Sharper's age you might be wishing for Bullocks back.

papz · 10-18-2011, 06:48 PM

Greer taken a step back this year? He looks better than he did last season. I think he's playing quite well.

Everything starts at DT. If we can't light a fire under Rogers, Franklin, Ellis, and Johnson's behind, it doesn't matter who we trade for.

That said, no I don't want Asante. While a good player, he has a fat contract and we have quality corners. Luxury acquisition... not a need.

AlaskaSaints · 10-18-2011, 07:18 PM

DB's need to play the ball, not the tackle after the ball is delivered.

Alaska

GeauxForMore · 10-18-2011, 07:25 PM

All im saying is this. Is our pass rush the best? No. Can they do better? Hell yes. But we are getting to the Qb. D-LINE and the Secondary go hand and hand. You can get to the QB all day but if your secondary guys can't cover for long its going to be a short throw that leads to a long TD run. I like Harper but you line him up against most TE in the league he's going to get beat. I guarantee you that you will never hear "that was a great coverage sack by the Saints". Our secondary was our biggest strength in 09 and now its a weakness. But im a secondary guy so I might be a lil bias.

NinthWardJay · 10-18-2011, 10:05 PM

Half of our sacks came against J.Cutler -_-

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 10:08 PM

We've got enough talent at the CB position to get it done, need Front Seven improvement.

Budsdrinker · 10-18-2011, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

All im saying is this. Is our pass rush the best? No. Can they do better? Hell yes. But we are getting to the Qb. D-LINE and the Secondary go hand and hand. You can get to the QB all day but if your secondary guys can't cover for long its going to be a short throw that leads to a long TD run. I like Harper but you line him up against most TE in the league he's going to get beat. I guarantee you that you will never hear "that was a great coverage sack by the Saints". Our secondary was our biggest strength in 09 and now its a weakness. But im a secondary guy so I might be a lil bias.

I don't think there is a safety in the league that can cover today's breed of TE's. Name one that can cover Jimmy Graham. We have to get up on the guys at the line and knock them off their route and mess up their timing. This 10 yard cushion is killing us.

10-18-2011, 04:51 PM	#11
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Sure we have 14 sacks, 11 of those were on Cutler. We are getting no pressure from the front 4 and MOST times with 6 we don't get there. That leaves us vulnerable beyond 3.5 seconds, especially if we bring the house. Very few DB's in the league can cover for more than 3.5 seconds. Once the QB slips away, and there's a free for all down field, we are toast. Now somebody has to make a tackle up field, probably somebody slow, with no angle. Our troubles are front side. Our front 4 are last on the tackle list every week, and our DB's are first on the list, every week. We are giving up 5.1 per rush. After run support, our DB's have nothing left for pass coverage. I would give up Hartley for Samuels. Danno, Saint_LB and foreverfan like this.
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10-18-2011, 05:09 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by darstep Sure we have 14 sacks, 11 of those were on Cutler. We are getting no pressure from the front 4 and MOST times with 6 we don't get there. That leaves us vulnerable beyond 3.5 seconds, especially if we bring the house. Very few DB's in the league can cover for more than 3.5 seconds. Once the QB slips away, and there's a free for all down field, we are toast. Now somebody has to make a tackle up field, probably somebody slow, with no angle. Our troubles are front side. Our front 4 are last on the tackle list every week, and our DB's are first on the list, every week. We are giving up 5.1 per rush. After run support, our DB's have nothing left for pass coverage. I would give up Hartley for Samuels. Excellent points. Omitting the Cutler sacks (he's on pace to shatter the NFL sacked record) we're averaging 1.6 sacks per game. Jared Allen (that guy everyone made fun of) has more sacks than our entire team. Thats pathetic.

10-18-2011, 05:49 PM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Its pointless debating what we need on D. I mean we need everything don't we? Can't stop the run, can get a pass rush and can't cover a soul. Before we make any trades we should get Sharper back even if he can't go being on the sideline is an improvement. foreverfan likes this.

10-18-2011, 06:25 PM	#14
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Euphoria Its pointless debating what we need on D. I mean we need everything don't we? Can't stop the run, can get a pass rush and can't cover a soul. Before we make any trades we should get Sharper back even if he can't go being on the sideline is an improvement. At Sharper's age you might be wishing for Bullocks back.

10-18-2011, 06:48 PM	#15
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Greer taken a step back this year? He looks better than he did last season. I think he's playing quite well. Everything starts at DT. If we can't light a fire under Rogers, Franklin, Ellis, and Johnson's behind, it doesn't matter who we trade for. That said, no I don't want Asante. While a good player, he has a fat contract and we have quality corners. Luxury acquisition... not a need. Saint_LB likes this.

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GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 589	All im saying is this. Is our pass rush the best? No. Can they do better? Hell yes. But we are getting to the Qb. D-LINE and the Secondary go hand and hand. You can get to the QB all day but if your secondary guys can't cover for long its going to be a short throw that leads to a long TD run. I like Harper but you line him up against most TE in the league he's going to get beat. I guarantee you that you will never hear "that was a great coverage sack by the Saints". Our secondary was our biggest strength in 09 and now its a weakness. But im a secondary guy so I might be a lil bias.

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NinthWardJay Captain Swag Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Orleans/Atlanta Posts: 189	Half of our sacks came against J.Cutler -_-

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by GeauxForMore All im saying is this. Is our pass rush the best? No. Can they do better? Hell yes. But we are getting to the Qb. D-LINE and the Secondary go hand and hand. You can get to the QB all day but if your secondary guys can't cover for long its going to be a short throw that leads to a long TD run. I like Harper but you line him up against most TE in the league he's going to get beat. I guarantee you that you will never hear "that was a great coverage sack by the Saints". Our secondary was our biggest strength in 09 and now its a weakness. But im a secondary guy so I might be a lil bias. I don't think there is a safety in the league that can cover today's breed of TE's. Name one that can cover Jimmy Graham. We have to get up on the guys at the line and knock them off their route and mess up their timing. This 10 yard cushion is killing us.

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