Saints First Round Picks > FAIL!

GeauxForMore · 10-18-2011, 09:33 PM

Even though our first rounders haven't been great. Still like what we did with Cam and Ingram and Robinson. Our later rounds picks have been great.

papz · 10-18-2011, 09:34 PM

Mark Ingram is a rookie in a 3 tail back system. Way too early to judge our picks this year. To even consider them failures is absurd and ludicrous. Both Jordan and Ingram are receiving a large dose of playing time as rookies... I consider that an accomplishment.

Would you argue that Ellis was worth the move up or even warranted Round 1 selection?

Like I said, hindsight is 20/20. At the time, people crapped on themselves with joy with his selection. Care to disagree? It was a good move at the time.

Would you argue that Meachem is worth his selection in round 1 when in the Saints system, any receiver can be a weapon?

He was the BPA on our board. Did we need a receiver? Probably not. I will never fault us for taking their top player on the board. Not every pick works out for everyone. Everyone has their hits and misses. What I do know is that he's a solid contributor for our spread offense.

Would you argue that two shots in Round 1 with Stallworth and Grant weren't major disappointment?

Grant had his moments. While inconsistent the last few years here, he has some very good years for us. Stallworth... meh. Chalk that one up to a miss... everyone has them.

Would you argue that ignoring History does not condemn one to repeat it?

Look to the future, stop dwelling on the past. We have a great foundation here. It's a class organization with plenty of winning seasons now and in the future. Stop living in the misery of your past.

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Mark Ingram is a rookie in a 3 tail back system. Way too early to judge our picks this year. To even consider them failures is absurd and ludicrous. Both Jordan and Ingram are receiving a large dose of playing time as rookies... I consider that an accomplishment.

Please ambassador, next time don't wait for the translation, just answer the questions; already addressed that the jury is still out on recent picks and addressed that at least the guys are starting...

Originally Posted by papz

Like I said, hindsight is 20/20. At the time, people crapped on themselves with joy with his selection. Care to disagree? It was a good move at the time.

There's a video of teenagers shooting fireworks from their arses who thought that was a good idea at the time...

Originally Posted by papz

He was the BPA on our board. Did we need a receiver? Probably not. I will never fault us for taking their top player on the board. Not every pick works out for everyone. Everyone has their hits and misses. What I do know is that he's a solid contributor for our spread offense.

So was he worth it; contributors are available in rounds 2-7; maybe the assessment for the "Board" needs to be improved...

Originally Posted by papz

Grant had his moments. While inconsistent the last few years here, he has some very good years for us. Stallworth... meh. Chalk that one up to a miss... everyone has them.

JD Drew hit a 14 milliion dollar home run, so yeah the Sox got their value

Originally Posted by papz

Look to the future, stop dwelling on the past. We have a great foundation here. It's a class organization with plenty of winning seasons now and in the future. Stop living in the misery of your past.

Sounds like a Politician's comment; glad to know you'd ignore the past; and I sense from your "misery of your past" comment you have a personal axe to grind; may I suggest anger management or a Ron Jeremy infomercial for a much needed laugh...

It's okay to be passionate; you need to leave the personal passive aggressive stuff out of it...

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-18-2011, 09:35 PM

I have observed the New Orleans Saints football team for a long time, long enough to enjoy "Hap's Point After" with Hap Glaudi on the radkio many times after the Saints games.

I'm also very familiar with the history of the Saints. There is one thread in the fabric of Saints History which was woven from the beginning and is with us still today. That thread in the fabric is the fact that the Saints need to improve with the quality of their first round draft picks in particular and all draft picks in general.

The Saints have too often chosen poorly in first round picks from the very beginning, back in 1967, when Vick Schwenk made the picks.

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan

when Vick Schwenk made the picks.

Man, does that bring back memories...Hap was the best...

papz · 10-18-2011, 09:42 PM

...though round 1's should start right away, and they have this year

Like I've said a million and one times before...

Absolutely terrible terrible... terribly flawed and faulty logic.

They start when they're ready to contribute. Jobs are earned, not given. Being a first round pick does not give you the right to start right away. Players have to make adjustments and some people have a larger learning curve than the other.

Go back to fantasy land man... from the looks of it, you should dominate every league you're in.

jeanpierre · 10-18-2011, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Like I've said a million and one times before...

Absolutely terrible terrible... terribly flawed and faulty logic.

They start when they're ready to contribute. Jobs are earned, not given. Being a first round pick does not give you the right to start right away. Players have to make adjustments and some people have a larger learning curve than the other.

Go back to fantasy land man... from the looks of it, you should dominate every league you're in.

This coming from the guy in quicksand; what we've learned from your discussion:

Ignore the past, look to the future...

You've said the same thing 1,000,001 times...

First Round Picks should have no more expectations on them as Sixth Round Picks or Rookie Free Agents...

And yes, I do lead my Fantasy League in points, Thank You...

Go back to whatever land you need to; I'm thrilled to be right where I am!

papz · 10-19-2011, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This coming from the guy in quicksand; what we've learned from your discussion:

Ignore the past, look to the future...

No I said you should stop dwelling in the past and look forward to our bright future. These aren't the same bag head Saints that you're accustomed to. Times have changed, get up to speed.

You've said the same thing 1,000,001 times...

First Round Picks should have no more expectations on them as Sixth Round Picks or Rookie Free Agents...

I'm sorry Mr. Smarty Pants, please direct me to that post or somewhere that I even implied this. Try not talking out your backside and read what's posted before you actually respond. Then you'd make more sense.

And yes, I do lead my Fantasy League in points, Thank You...

Go back to whatever land you need to; I'm thrilled to be right where I am!

LOL! The next stop... the big leagues. Loomis watch your back.

strato · 10-19-2011, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by papz

No I said you should stop dwelling in the past and look forward to our bright future. These aren't the same bag head Saints that you're accustomed to. Times have changed, get up to speed.

I'm sorry Mr. Smarty Pants, please direct me to that post or somewhere that I even implied this. Try not talking out your backside and read what's posted before you actually respond. Then you'd make more sense.

LOL! The next stop... the big leagues. Loomis watch your back.

LOL...

DrewDat · 10-18-2011, 09:45 PM

I think our biggest moves are always late in the draft or our undrafted signings

10-18-2011, 09:34 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,772	Mark Ingram is a rookie in a 3 tail back system. Way too early to judge our picks this year. To even consider them failures is absurd and ludicrous. Both Jordan and Ingram are receiving a large dose of playing time as rookies... I consider that an accomplishment. Would you argue that Ellis was worth the move up or even warranted Round 1 selection? Like I said, hindsight is 20/20. At the time, people crapped on themselves with joy with his selection. Care to disagree? It was a good move at the time. Would you argue that Meachem is worth his selection in round 1 when in the Saints system, any receiver can be a weapon? He was the BPA on our board. Did we need a receiver? Probably not. I will never fault us for taking their top player on the board. Not every pick works out for everyone. Everyone has their hits and misses. What I do know is that he's a solid contributor for our spread offense. Would you argue that two shots in Round 1 with Stallworth and Grant weren't major disappointment? Grant had his moments. While inconsistent the last few years here, he has some very good years for us. Stallworth... meh. Chalk that one up to a miss... everyone has them. Would you argue that ignoring History does not condemn one to repeat it? Look to the future, stop dwelling on the past. We have a great foundation here. It's a class organization with plenty of winning seasons now and in the future. Stop living in the misery of your past. TheDeuce likes this.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

10-18-2011, 09:49 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz Mark Ingram is a rookie in a 3 tail back system. Way too early to judge our picks this year. To even consider them failures is absurd and ludicrous. Both Jordan and Ingram are receiving a large dose of playing time as rookies... I consider that an accomplishment. Please ambassador, next time don't wait for the translation, just answer the questions; already addressed that the jury is still out on recent picks and addressed that at least the guys are starting... Originally Posted by papz Like I said, hindsight is 20/20. At the time, people crapped on themselves with joy with his selection. Care to disagree? It was a good move at the time. There's a video of teenagers shooting fireworks from their arses who thought that was a good idea at the time... Originally Posted by papz He was the BPA on our board. Did we need a receiver? Probably not. I will never fault us for taking their top player on the board. Not every pick works out for everyone. Everyone has their hits and misses. What I do know is that he's a solid contributor for our spread offense. So was he worth it; contributors are available in rounds 2-7; maybe the assessment for the "Board" needs to be improved... Originally Posted by papz Grant had his moments. While inconsistent the last few years here, he has some very good years for us. Stallworth... meh. Chalk that one up to a miss... everyone has them. JD Drew hit a 14 milliion dollar home run, so yeah the Sox got their value Originally Posted by papz Look to the future, stop dwelling on the past. We have a great foundation here. It's a class organization with plenty of winning seasons now and in the future. Stop living in the misery of your past. Sounds like a Politician's comment; glad to know you'd ignore the past; and I sense from your "misery of your past" comment you have a personal axe to grind; may I suggest anger management or a Ron Jeremy infomercial for a much needed laugh... It's okay to be passionate; you need to leave the personal passive aggressive stuff out of it...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way... Last edited by jeanpierre; 10-18-2011 at 09:56 PM..

10-18-2011, 09:35 PM	#4
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	I have observed the New Orleans Saints football team for a long time, long enough to enjoy "Hap's Point After" with Hap Glaudi on the radkio many times after the Saints games. I'm also very familiar with the history of the Saints. There is one thread in the fabric of Saints History which was woven from the beginning and is with us still today. That thread in the fabric is the fact that the Saints need to improve with the quality of their first round draft picks in particular and all draft picks in general. The Saints have too often chosen poorly in first round picks from the very beginning, back in 1967, when Vick Schwenk made the picks.
	GO SAINTS GO!! GO SAINTS GO!! GO SAINTS GO!! -- Al Hirt on the Tulane Stadium PA system loudly cheering for our beloved New Orleans Saints

10-18-2011, 09:39 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Haps Biggest Fan when Vick Schwenk made the picks. Man, does that bring back memories...Hap was the best...

10-18-2011, 09:42 PM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,772	...though round 1's should start right away, and they have this year Like I've said a million and one times before... Absolutely terrible terrible... terribly flawed and faulty logic. They start when they're ready to contribute. Jobs are earned, not given. Being a first round pick does not give you the right to start right away. Players have to make adjustments and some people have a larger learning curve than the other. Go back to fantasy land man... from the looks of it, you should dominate every league you're in. foreverfan likes this.

10-18-2011, 09:33 PM	#1
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 590	Even though our first rounders haven't been great. Still like what we did with Cam and Ingram and Robinson. Our later rounds picks have been great.

10-18-2011, 10:12 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz Like I've said a million and one times before... Absolutely terrible terrible... terribly flawed and faulty logic. They start when they're ready to contribute. Jobs are earned, not given. Being a first round pick does not give you the right to start right away. Players have to make adjustments and some people have a larger learning curve than the other. Go back to fantasy land man... from the looks of it, you should dominate every league you're in. This coming from the guy in quicksand; what we've learned from your discussion: Ignore the past, look to the future... You've said the same thing 1,000,001 times... First Round Picks should have no more expectations on them as Sixth Round Picks or Rookie Free Agents... And yes, I do lead my Fantasy League in points, Thank You... Go back to whatever land you need to; I'm thrilled to be right where I am!

10-19-2011, 08:05 AM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,772	Originally Posted by jeanpierre This coming from the guy in quicksand; what we've learned from your discussion: Ignore the past, look to the future... No I said you should stop dwelling in the past and look forward to our bright future. These aren't the same bag head Saints that you're accustomed to. Times have changed, get up to speed. You've said the same thing 1,000,001 times... First Round Picks should have no more expectations on them as Sixth Round Picks or Rookie Free Agents... I'm sorry Mr. Smarty Pants, please direct me to that post or somewhere that I even implied this. Try not talking out your backside and read what's posted before you actually respond. Then you'd make more sense. And yes, I do lead my Fantasy League in points, Thank You... Go back to whatever land you need to; I'm thrilled to be right where I am! LOL! The next stop... the big leagues. Loomis watch your back.

10-19-2011, 08:14 AM	#9
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by papz No I said you should stop dwelling in the past and look forward to our bright future. These aren't the same bag head Saints that you're accustomed to. Times have changed, get up to speed. I'm sorry Mr. Smarty Pants, please direct me to that post or somewhere that I even implied this. Try not talking out your backside and read what's posted before you actually respond. Then you'd make more sense. LOL! The next stop... the big leagues. Loomis watch your back. LOL...

10-18-2011, 09:45 PM	#10
DrewDat DOMEPATROL Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Due To Military Obligation Posts: 479	I think our biggest moves are always late in the draft or our undrafted signings foreverfan likes this.

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