THE DEFENSE

st thomas · 10-19-2011, 12:16 PM

in your best and honest opinions about whats going on and what we need to fix the dam thing.
i'm going to start off and say stop the profolic blitzing schemes and stay more in common 4-3 packages. blitz vilma more he'd be more unseen step up the debacks on supposidly man to man coverage so they can at least try to throw off the timing route. does anyone notice the striping technics is out the window. okay next.

Budsdrinker · 10-19-2011, 12:26 PM

Get up on the line of scrimmage and bump your guy at the snap to throw off the timming of their routes.

boonedocksaint · 10-19-2011, 12:59 PM

tackle better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Euphoria · 10-19-2011, 01:08 PM

...another defense thread.

LOL.

Look you don't want to simplify things at all. What you need to do is teach and coach up the fundamentals. You have some guys in position to make a play and they miss it. Robinson is the only one I trust making a tackle right now. The problem is planning and play calling the problem is the guys aren't doing the fundamentals such as tackling.

Another reason we aren't getting a pass rush... fundamentals of our D guys not using their hand technics in hand to hand combat and getting in there.

Its all in the coaching if they actually realize they have to coach the guys in these areas we'd be better off.

Beastmode · 10-19-2011, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Get up on the line of scrimmage and bump your guy at the snap to throw off the timming of their routes.

I'd like to see more bump and run. Likely get burned just as much but there's a greater chance of a bad throw or tip ball up for grabs and right now we can't win without a turnover. And the stripping the ball, we need to get away from that and concentrate on tackling. It was a gimmick that worked well for a while. If you watch teams now there is more focus on holding on to the ball around the Saints.

boonedocksaint · 10-19-2011, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I'd like to see more bump and run. Likely get burned just as much but there's a greater chance of a bad throw or tip ball up for grabs and right now we can't win without a turnover. And the stripping the ball, we need to get away from that and concentrate on tackling. It was a gimmick that worked well for a while. If you watch teams now there is more focus on holding on to the ball around the Saints.

absolutely! GREAT point on going for the strip a little too much. i totally agree that when offenses are gearing up to face us, they're coaches are drilling them on ball security because thats something greg williams had made known he's going to have his players go for every game.

just like the coaches always know our db's will jump the routes. just watch film of hasselbeck and the seahawks taking advantage of this with pumpfakes in the playoff game last season.

saintsfan1976 · 10-19-2011, 02:11 PM

Whatever Sean (a tiger can't change his stripes) Rogers and Abreyou ( I miss Patrick Willis) Franklin were supposed to be - i haven't seen since the niners preseason game.

Is Will Smith still suspended? I don't see him.

Shanle needs a rascal to reach the sidelines.

I something wrong with Porter? Why is Jenkins always cheating to his side of the field?

Something tells me Ellis and Rogers aren't gelling - and they won't.

Rugby Saint II · 10-19-2011, 03:01 PM

Our two new defensive tackles are out of shape and don't have any stamina. They have a rotation but it's not enough. They may be too old to condition before they just wear out. Ellis does fine.......he's just not elite. We let another opportunity for an upgrade slip away. from the DT's

homerj07 · 10-22-2011, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by boonedocksaint

tackle better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Word to your mother!!

Tackle - tackle tackle OH & lets get some Ints!!

SaintPauly · 10-22-2011, 12:42 PM

More pressure up front, would be a domino effect, for the better, for every level of our defense..... They need to get to the qb, without blitzing every down.

10-19-2011, 12:16 PM	#1
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	THE DEFENSE in your best and honest opinions about whats going on and what we need to fix the dam thing. i'm going to start off and say stop the profolic blitzing schemes and stay more in common 4-3 packages. blitz vilma more he'd be more unseen step up the debacks on supposidly man to man coverage so they can at least try to throw off the timing route. does anyone notice the striping technics is out the window. okay next.

10-19-2011, 12:26 PM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Get up on the line of scrimmage and bump your guy at the snap to throw off the timming of their routes. FireVenturi, strato and AlaskaSaints like this.

10-19-2011, 01:08 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	...another defense thread. LOL. Look you don't want to simplify things at all. What you need to do is teach and coach up the fundamentals. You have some guys in position to make a play and they miss it. Robinson is the only one I trust making a tackle right now. The problem is planning and play calling the problem is the guys aren't doing the fundamentals such as tackling. Another reason we aren't getting a pass rush... fundamentals of our D guys not using their hand technics in hand to hand combat and getting in there. Its all in the coaching if they actually realize they have to coach the guys in these areas we'd be better off.
	E U P H O R I A

10-19-2011, 01:10 PM	#5
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Get up on the line of scrimmage and bump your guy at the snap to throw off the timming of their routes. I'd like to see more bump and run. Likely get burned just as much but there's a greater chance of a bad throw or tip ball up for grabs and right now we can't win without a turnover. And the stripping the ball, we need to get away from that and concentrate on tackling. It was a gimmick that worked well for a while. If you watch teams now there is more focus on holding on to the ball around the Saints.
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boonedocksaint 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 340	Originally Posted by Beastmode I'd like to see more bump and run. Likely get burned just as much but there's a greater chance of a bad throw or tip ball up for grabs and right now we can't win without a turnover. And the stripping the ball, we need to get away from that and concentrate on tackling. It was a gimmick that worked well for a while. If you watch teams now there is more focus on holding on to the ball around the Saints. absolutely! GREAT point on going for the strip a little too much. i totally agree that when offenses are gearing up to face us, they're coaches are drilling them on ball security because thats something greg williams had made known he's going to have his players go for every game. just like the coaches always know our db's will jump the routes. just watch film of hasselbeck and the seahawks taking advantage of this with pumpfakes in the playoff game last season.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Whatever Sean (a tiger can't change his stripes) Rogers and Abreyou ( I miss Patrick Willis) Franklin were supposed to be - i haven't seen since the niners preseason game. Is Will Smith still suspended? I don't see him. Shanle needs a rascal to reach the sidelines. I something wrong with Porter? Why is Jenkins always cheating to his side of the field? Something tells me Ellis and Rogers aren't gelling - and they won't. strato likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Our two new defensive tackles are out of shape and don't have any stamina. They have a rotation but it's not enough. They may be too old to condition before they just wear out. Ellis does fine.......he's just not elite. We let another opportunity for an upgrade slip away. from the DT's

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homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Originally Posted by boonedocksaint tackle better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Word to your mother!! Tackle - tackle tackle OH & lets get some Ints!!

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SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	More pressure up front, would be a domino effect, for the better, for every level of our defense..... They need to get to the qb, without blitzing every down. foreverfan likes this.