It is no secret now

xan · 11-01-2011, 01:41 PM

I love FootballOutsiders. And not because they confirm my knowledge and insight.

The New Orleans Saints have scored the most points in the NFL this year, but their offense failed to score until the fourth quarter on Sunday against the St. Louis Rams. The Rams exploited a couple of mismatches and dismantled a key element of the Saints' attack, while also exposing a gaping weakness on the New Orleans defense.
The Saints will probably overcome this loss and win the NFC South, but the flaws shown against St. Louis may cost them a trip to Indianapolis in February.

The Rams continually pressured Drew Brees and didn't have to blitz much to do it. St. Louis finished with six sacks and nine other quarterback hits. Defensive ends Chris Long and Robert Quinn and tackle Fred Robbins combined for five sacks and seven hits.

Now New Orleans has to prove that this game was the exception and not the norm.

NFL -- Teams with dominant defensive lines can create numerous problems for the Saints - ESPN

papz · 11-01-2011, 01:50 PM

Teams with dominant defensive lines can cause trouble for anyone... not just particularly the Saints.

In another thread it was pointed out that we shut down the two of the best DE's in the league against the Colts... we can get the job done. Consistency is what it's all about.

strato · 11-01-2011, 02:03 PM

Right Papz...somebody forward this to the O-line...

|Mitch| · 11-01-2011, 02:05 PM

Did Charles Brown start in the Colts game, or was it Strief? I don't remember, but Chris Long abused Brown

darstep · 11-01-2011, 02:06 PM

There are times when one players strengths and abilities line up perfectly with the opponents weaknesses and/or trouble spots. Over the course of a 16-20 week season, somewhere along the line, a player may meet his match and get whipped like a stubborn mule. It happens! But it shouldn't happen every other week. When it does, changes need to be made: upgrades if at all possible. We have shown that we have the talent to beat any team in the league and we've also shown that we can stink it up with the best of 'em. Payton/Williams has to get these guys ready to play EVERY week. If the results are not there, then we need to get some new pieces in place. This weekly up and down will end like it did in Seattle.
Papz said it - consistency. A consistent HIGH level of play on both sides of the ball. Nothing less will do.

strato · 11-01-2011, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Did Charles Brown start in the Colts game, or was it Strief? I don't remember, but Chris Long abused Brown

Brown..

Mardigras9 · 11-01-2011, 02:25 PM

There didn't seem to be any adjustment during the game to help the tackles either. Just appeared our sideline was asleep for most of the game. Not the norm for us. If the team is truly as pissed about their performance as we have read, Tampa is in trouble.

Marlboro Man · 11-02-2011, 08:17 PM

Shouldn't be happening when you have the two BEST GUARDS IN FOOTBALL. Just saying.

Budsdrinker · 11-03-2011, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

Shouldn't be happening when you have the two BEST GUARDS IN FOOTBALL. Just saying.

The rush was coming from the outside which is the tackle's job not the guards. But on a couple plays I saw, miscommunication between Graham and Brown was the problem. Graham was chipping the DE to the inside and Brown was setting up to block to the outside which gave the DE a clear run to the inside. Both guys have to know what each other is doing for it to work.

11-01-2011, 01:41 PM	#1
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	It is no secret now I love FootballOutsiders. And not because they confirm my knowledge and insight. The New Orleans Saints have scored the most points in the NFL this year, but their offense failed to score until the fourth quarter on Sunday against the St. Louis Rams. The Rams exploited a couple of mismatches and dismantled a key element of the Saints' attack, while also exposing a gaping weakness on the New Orleans defense. The Saints will probably overcome this loss and win the NFC South, but the flaws shown against St. Louis may cost them a trip to Indianapolis in February. The Rams continually pressured Drew Brees and didn't have to blitz much to do it. St. Louis finished with six sacks and nine other quarterback hits. Defensive ends Chris Long and Robert Quinn and tackle Fred Robbins combined for five sacks and seven hits. Now New Orleans has to prove that this game was the exception and not the norm. NFL -- Teams with dominant defensive lines can create numerous problems for the Saints - ESPN

11-01-2011, 02:06 PM	#5
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	There are times when one players strengths and abilities line up perfectly with the opponents weaknesses and/or trouble spots. Over the course of a 16-20 week season, somewhere along the line, a player may meet his match and get whipped like a stubborn mule. It happens! But it shouldn't happen every other week. When it does, changes need to be made: upgrades if at all possible. We have shown that we have the talent to beat any team in the league and we've also shown that we can stink it up with the best of 'em. Payton/Williams has to get these guys ready to play EVERY week. If the results are not there, then we need to get some new pieces in place. This weekly up and down will end like it did in Seattle. Papz said it - consistency. A consistent HIGH level of play on both sides of the ball. Nothing less will do.
	SaintSince67

11-01-2011, 02:10 PM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Did Charles Brown start in the Colts game, or was it Strief? I don't remember, but Chris Long abused Brown Brown..

11-03-2011, 11:15 AM	#9
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man Shouldn't be happening when you have the two BEST GUARDS IN FOOTBALL. Just saying. The rush was coming from the outside which is the tackle's job not the guards. But on a couple plays I saw, miscommunication between Graham and Brown was the problem. Graham was chipping the DE to the inside and Brown was setting up to block to the outside which gave the DE a clear run to the inside. Both guys have to know what each other is doing for it to work.

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11-01-2011, 01:50 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Teams with dominant defensive lines can cause trouble for anyone... not just particularly the Saints. In another thread it was pointed out that we shut down the two of the best DE's in the league against the Colts... we can get the job done. Consistency is what it's all about.

11-01-2011, 02:03 PM	#3
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Right Papz...somebody forward this to the O-line...

11-01-2011, 02:05 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Did Charles Brown start in the Colts game, or was it Strief? I don't remember, but Chris Long abused Brown

11-01-2011, 02:25 PM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	There didn't seem to be any adjustment during the game to help the tackles either. Just appeared our sideline was asleep for most of the game. Not the norm for us. If the team is truly as pissed about their performance as we have read, Tampa is in trouble.

11-02-2011, 08:17 PM	#8
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Shouldn't be happening when you have the two BEST GUARDS IN FOOTBALL. Just saying.