PFF: Three to Focus On TB@NO

jeanpierre · 11-04-2011, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Martez Wilson was the number 1 ranked MLB in the 2011 draft.

I'm just sayin.

How much of a learning curve does he get till he plays?

Danno · 11-05-2011, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

How much of a learning curve does he get till he plays?

Probably longer than most, considering he has to master Gregg's eleven-billion different blitz packages and schemes.

Sometimes I wonder if GW's scheme's are too rocket science complex.

pherein · 11-05-2011, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Three to Focus on – Buccaneers @ Saints, Week 9 November 4th, 2011 | Author: Gordon McGuinness

...

1) LeGarrette Blount vs. The Saints’ linebackers

... Of the Saints’ top four linebackers, only Scott Shanle has a positive grade against the run. All four of them have missed at least three tackles so far, and both JoLonn Dunbar (-5.6) and Johnathan Casillas (-5.9) are ranked amongst the worst five 4-3 outside linebackers against the run. Believe it or not, no middle or inside linebacker in the league has a worse grade against the run than Johnathan Vilma (-7.7 against the run). It all potentially adds up to a long day for the Saints as they try and stop Blount.

Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol.
Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet.
And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not.

Danno · 11-05-2011, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol.
Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet.
And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not.

Maybe so. He certainly doesn't look like the Vilma of old. He's starting to morph into Cleat-Mark Simoneau. Being undersized he always used his speed and agility to succeed. When that starts to fade he becomes a liability.

I'm hoping his banged up knee is the reason, but thats odd because his coverage stats are still very good.

spkb25 · 11-05-2011, 12:11 PM

We better find a way to tart running the GD ball more effectively. Then we better learn to stop the GD run.

It seems like those two things are the same two things you have to do to be successful. We aren't doing either well.

Brees will continue to throw int's until we prove we can run the ball and take some pressure off our Oline. Teams, in my opinion, are teeing off because they have no respect for our running game.

Maybe I am wrong, but that seems to be our two main frigan issues.

Beastmode · 11-05-2011, 12:14 PM

Saints have faced some big RBs. Blount is hovering around 250lbs, Jackson 240lbs. Our LB corp are small or average size trying to bring down these big bowling balls. Against more typical size RBs they can usually get it done. What I hate seeing are these big backs coming off the edge and picking up speed. I hope they have an answer for that this game. Keep it up inside.

spkb25 · 11-05-2011, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I would argue that the Saints need to get Graham less involved. He's played pretty well and Colston and Sproles are great but why isn't Brees throwing to Meachem, Moore, and Henderson more? Spreading the ball around is something he used to do a lot more but he sure seems to be looking for one specific guy each time he throws the ball.

So dead on, IMHO. I didn't mind, at first, the constant going to Sproles and Graham, but now it looks like Brees is locking in. Throwing it to JG when he is triple covered and ****. I know the guys is a mismatch to the 1000th degree, but when they start taking that away how come nothing else is open?

And can someone tell em why we can't run the ball. I don't understand? I mean if you have the type of passing game we do, why are we unable to run the ball?

I hope our best ball is yet to come, but boy, even with a healthy backfield, this sure has the feel of last year to it again. Inconsistent, up and down play, losing to teams we should beat. I sure hope that our best ball is about to begin to be played, week in and week out!

jeanpierre · 11-05-2011, 01:49 PM

Three to focus on...

1) Jimmy Graham. Do opponents have enough film to stop 'em? Are does he get back on track...

2) Malcom Jenkins. Can he shut down the big pass play?

3) Mason Foster. Is he healthy and was he the linebacker the Saints should have taken?

11-04-2011, 10:22 PM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by Danno Martez Wilson was the number 1 ranked MLB in the 2011 draft. I'm just sayin. How much of a learning curve does he get till he plays?

11-05-2011, 09:49 AM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by jeanpierre How much of a learning curve does he get till he plays? Probably longer than most, considering he has to master Gregg's eleven-billion different blitz packages and schemes. Sometimes I wonder if GW's scheme's are too rocket science complex.

11-05-2011, 10:37 AM	#13
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno Three to Focus on – Buccaneers @ Saints, Week 9 November 4th, 2011 \| Author: Gordon McGuinness ... 1) LeGarrette Blount vs. The Saints’ linebackers ... Of the Saints’ top four linebackers, only Scott Shanle has a positive grade against the run. All four of them have missed at least three tackles so far, and both JoLonn Dunbar (-5.6) and Johnathan Casillas (-5.9) are ranked amongst the worst five 4-3 outside linebackers against the run. Believe it or not, no middle or inside linebacker in the league has a worse grade against the run than Johnathan Vilma (-7.7 against the run). It all potentially adds up to a long day for the Saints as they try and stop Blount. Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol. Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet. And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not.

11-05-2011, 10:47 AM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by pherein Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol. Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet. And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not. Maybe so. He certainly doesn't look like the Vilma of old. He's starting to morph into Cleat-Mark Simoneau. Being undersized he always used his speed and agility to succeed. When that starts to fade he becomes a liability. I'm hoping his banged up knee is the reason, but thats odd because his coverage stats are still very good.

11-05-2011, 12:14 PM	#16
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Saints have faced some big RBs. Blount is hovering around 250lbs, Jackson 240lbs. Our LB corp are small or average size trying to bring down these big bowling balls. Against more typical size RBs they can usually get it done. What I hate seeing are these big backs coming off the edge and picking up speed. I hope they have an answer for that this game. Keep it up inside.
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11-05-2011, 12:11 PM	#15
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	We better find a way to tart running the GD ball more effectively. Then we better learn to stop the GD run. It seems like those two things are the same two things you have to do to be successful. We aren't doing either well. Brees will continue to throw int's until we prove we can run the ball and take some pressure off our Oline. Teams, in my opinion, are teeing off because they have no respect for our running game. Maybe I am wrong, but that seems to be our two main frigan issues.

11-05-2011, 12:16 PM	#17
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Originally Posted by iceshack149 I would argue that the Saints need to get Graham less involved. He's played pretty well and Colston and Sproles are great but why isn't Brees throwing to Meachem, Moore, and Henderson more? Spreading the ball around is something he used to do a lot more but he sure seems to be looking for one specific guy each time he throws the ball. So dead on, IMHO. I didn't mind, at first, the constant going to Sproles and Graham, but now it looks like Brees is locking in. Throwing it to JG when he is triple covered and ****. I know the guys is a mismatch to the 1000th degree, but when they start taking that away how come nothing else is open? And can someone tell em why we can't run the ball. I don't understand? I mean if you have the type of passing game we do, why are we unable to run the ball? I hope our best ball is yet to come, but boy, even with a healthy backfield, this sure has the feel of last year to it again. Inconsistent, up and down play, losing to teams we should beat. I sure hope that our best ball is about to begin to be played, week in and week out!
	Your team stinks

11-05-2011, 01:49 PM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Three to focus on... 1) Jimmy Graham. Do opponents have enough film to stop 'em? Are does he get back on track... 2) Malcom Jenkins. Can he shut down the big pass play? 3) Mason Foster. Is he healthy and was he the linebacker the Saints should have taken?

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