PFF: Three to Focus On TB@NO

strato · 11-04-2011, 11:19 AM

Yeah i know..would be nice to have him in there eventually..

dizzle88 · 11-04-2011, 11:28 AM

Vilma hasn't seemed like himself recently, it's probably the injury but I've seen replay after replay of him diving for the tackle and the runner being 2 steps ahead, he used to make those tackles

SaintsBro · 11-04-2011, 03:32 PM

I think one of the key matchups that needs to be discussed has got to be coaching -- Raheem Morris vs. Sean Payton straight up is a no-brainer (Payton wins) but if Payton is not able to coach effectively from the booth or call the right plays, it's like a gift from the gods falling into Raheem Morris' lap. Raheem Morris as head coach versus no head coach at all on the Saints sideline, with Payton injured in the locker room watching it on TV -- well that was actually a pretty even matchup, a pretty even game, as we learned last time. No Payton on the other sideline makes Raheem look better than he is.

Whenever Sean Payton has coached against Raheem Morris in the past, he's consistently clobbered him, unless some other factor came into play, like pulling starters or closing the Saints playbook completely in the second half because of the approaching playoffs, freak missed field goal or a freaking BROKEN LEG. That's the only thing that makes this series between them interesting. Every "normal" game between these two coaches, with both teams healthy, has pretty much ended up a Saints romp. So, the impact in this game of head coaching, X's and O's, and Carmichael's playcalling, adjustments, etc. is going to be huge.

pherein · 11-05-2011, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Three to Focus on – Buccaneers @ Saints, Week 9 November 4th, 2011 | Author: Gordon McGuinness

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1) LeGarrette Blount vs. The Saints’ linebackers

... Of the Saints’ top four linebackers, only Scott Shanle has a positive grade against the run. All four of them have missed at least three tackles so far, and both JoLonn Dunbar (-5.6) and Johnathan Casillas (-5.9) are ranked amongst the worst five 4-3 outside linebackers against the run. Believe it or not, no middle or inside linebacker in the league has a worse grade against the run than Johnathan Vilma (-7.7 against the run). It all potentially adds up to a long day for the Saints as they try and stop Blount.

Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol.
Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet.
And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not.

Danno · 11-05-2011, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol.
Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet.
And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not.

Maybe so. He certainly doesn't look like the Vilma of old. He's starting to morph into Cleat-Mark Simoneau. Being undersized he always used his speed and agility to succeed. When that starts to fade he becomes a liability.

I'm hoping his banged up knee is the reason, but thats odd because his coverage stats are still very good.

spkb25 · 11-05-2011, 11:11 AM

We better find a way to tart running the GD ball more effectively. Then we better learn to stop the GD run.

It seems like those two things are the same two things you have to do to be successful. We aren't doing either well.

Brees will continue to throw int's until we prove we can run the ball and take some pressure off our Oline. Teams, in my opinion, are teeing off because they have no respect for our running game.

Maybe I am wrong, but that seems to be our two main frigan issues.

Beastmode · 11-05-2011, 11:14 AM

Saints have faced some big RBs. Blount is hovering around 250lbs, Jackson 240lbs. Our LB corp are small or average size trying to bring down these big bowling balls. Against more typical size RBs they can usually get it done. What I hate seeing are these big backs coming off the edge and picking up speed. I hope they have an answer for that this game. Keep it up inside.

jeanpierre · 11-05-2011, 12:49 PM

Three to focus on...

1) Jimmy Graham. Do opponents have enough film to stop 'em? Are does he get back on track...

2) Malcom Jenkins. Can he shut down the big pass play?

3) Mason Foster. Is he healthy and was he the linebacker the Saints should have taken?

11-05-2011, 09:37 AM	#4
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno Three to Focus on – Buccaneers @ Saints, Week 9 November 4th, 2011 \| Author: Gordon McGuinness ... 1) LeGarrette Blount vs. The Saints’ linebackers ... Of the Saints’ top four linebackers, only Scott Shanle has a positive grade against the run. All four of them have missed at least three tackles so far, and both JoLonn Dunbar (-5.6) and Johnathan Casillas (-5.9) are ranked amongst the worst five 4-3 outside linebackers against the run. Believe it or not, no middle or inside linebacker in the league has a worse grade against the run than Johnathan Vilma (-7.7 against the run). It all potentially adds up to a long day for the Saints as they try and stop Blount. Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol. Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet. And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not.

11-05-2011, 09:47 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by pherein Yeah, I was shocked last week when I saw Vilma's and our LB core stats. I never expected it was that bad, and naturally just blamed the defensive line,lol. Later I found out our DL is not doing bad at all. Good stats man. Im surprised GW hasn't solved this yet. And I keep forgetting Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans, in high school , wonder if its catching up to him, hope not. Maybe so. He certainly doesn't look like the Vilma of old. He's starting to morph into Cleat-Mark Simoneau. Being undersized he always used his speed and agility to succeed. When that starts to fade he becomes a liability. I'm hoping his banged up knee is the reason, but thats odd because his coverage stats are still very good.

11-05-2011, 11:14 AM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Saints have faced some big RBs. Blount is hovering around 250lbs, Jackson 240lbs. Our LB corp are small or average size trying to bring down these big bowling balls. Against more typical size RBs they can usually get it done. What I hate seeing are these big backs coming off the edge and picking up speed. I hope they have an answer for that this game. Keep it up inside.
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11-04-2011, 11:19 AM	#1
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Yeah i know..would be nice to have him in there eventually..

11-04-2011, 11:28 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Vilma hasn't seemed like himself recently, it's probably the injury but I've seen replay after replay of him diving for the tackle and the runner being 2 steps ahead, he used to make those tackles

11-04-2011, 03:32 PM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	I think one of the key matchups that needs to be discussed has got to be coaching -- Raheem Morris vs. Sean Payton straight up is a no-brainer (Payton wins) but if Payton is not able to coach effectively from the booth or call the right plays, it's like a gift from the gods falling into Raheem Morris' lap. Raheem Morris as head coach versus no head coach at all on the Saints sideline, with Payton injured in the locker room watching it on TV -- well that was actually a pretty even matchup, a pretty even game, as we learned last time. No Payton on the other sideline makes Raheem look better than he is. Whenever Sean Payton has coached against Raheem Morris in the past, he's consistently clobbered him, unless some other factor came into play, like pulling starters or closing the Saints playbook completely in the second half because of the approaching playoffs, freak missed field goal or a freaking BROKEN LEG. That's the only thing that makes this series between them interesting. Every "normal" game between these two coaches, with both teams healthy, has pretty much ended up a Saints romp. So, the impact in this game of head coaching, X's and O's, and Carmichael's playcalling, adjustments, etc. is going to be huge.

11-05-2011, 11:11 AM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	We better find a way to tart running the GD ball more effectively. Then we better learn to stop the GD run. It seems like those two things are the same two things you have to do to be successful. We aren't doing either well. Brees will continue to throw int's until we prove we can run the ball and take some pressure off our Oline. Teams, in my opinion, are teeing off because they have no respect for our running game. Maybe I am wrong, but that seems to be our two main frigan issues.

11-05-2011, 12:49 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Three to focus on... 1) Jimmy Graham. Do opponents have enough film to stop 'em? Are does he get back on track... 2) Malcom Jenkins. Can he shut down the big pass play? 3) Mason Foster. Is he healthy and was he the linebacker the Saints should have taken?