Our D Line sucked

darstep · 11-14-2011, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Greer has played well this season but Harper brings more to the defense.

EXACTLY! Harper shows up EVERY week! 10-and-3 today is off the charts.
Harper saves our butts every week. Who do you think is making tackles when the front 7 misses?
Ellis finally had a descent day today, and everybody else disappeared.
Look back at the stats; NO two defensive lineman have had a good day on the same day.
Smith or Jordan, but never both. Rogers/Franklin/Johnson/Turk/Charleston have all been missing in action.
Johnson/Turk/Charleston have the low snap count excuse, the rest have no excuse.
Besides Harper, Dunbar, Vilma when he's healthy, there is no consistency.
We don't know what we will see from week to week.
We just keep hoping "enough" people show up to play ball each week, and play well enough to get us another win.

Halo · 11-14-2011, 12:48 AM

But guys, I didn't see them run all over us today. Running is their "thing" and we executed enough to win.

When the game was on the line, the D-line WON the game.

strato · 11-14-2011, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

EXACTLY! Harper shows up EVERY week! 10-and-3 today is off the charts.
Harper saves our butts every week. Who do you think is making tackles when the front 7 misses?
Ellis finally had a descent day today, and everybody else disappeared.
Look back at the stats; NO two defensive lineman have had a good day on the same day.
Smith or Jordan, but never both. Rogers/Franklin/Johnson/Turk/Charleston have all been missing in action.
Besides Harper, Dunbar, Vilma when he's healthy, there is no consistency.
We don't know what we will see from week to week.
We just keep hoping "enough" people show up to play ball each week. Enough to get us another win.

Harper is good at the line no doubt 6.5 sacks leads all DBs..makes those Bama homers proud lol...also look at passes defensed Jabari and Cory Webster are tied wth 15...tops in the NFL

NFL Stats: by Player Position

jnormand · 11-14-2011, 12:53 AM

I don't think the D played bad except for the final drive in the fourth quarter. And Ofcourse we frickin blitzed every time and left the middle of the field open. Our defense held the Clowns to three field goals in the red zone! I'm not gonna ***** about that!

Halo · 11-14-2011, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I don't think the D played bad except for the final drive in the fourth quarter. And Ofcourse we frickin blitzed every time and left the middle of the field open. Our defense held the Clowns to three field goals in the red zone! I'm not gonna ***** about that!

I mean, I feel the same. Look, they bent most of the day but were very good in the red zone until the last part of the 4th. When the chips were down, we executed.

BUT THE PREVENT DEFENSE MUST GO! THIS THREAD SHOULD BE ABOUT THE BANNING OF THE PREVENT DEFENSE IN GENERAL FROM GREGG WILLIAMS PLAYBOOK!

strato · 11-14-2011, 01:00 AM

Ive said that all evening....we gave them all that yardage in the prevent..

|Mitch| · 11-14-2011, 01:05 AM

If the front 4 or 3 [scheme depending] could get pressure, Gregg wouldn't have to blitz as much to try and get to the quarterback.

That would eliminate both problems, keeping the LBs in coverage and hurry the QB forcing bad decisions when we are in the prevent...

But at the same time if the D-Line would be getting pressure, he would still blitz because our sack numbers would be way up...

Halo · 11-14-2011, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by strato

Ive said that all evening....we gave them all that yardage in the prevent..

ALL OF IT! They got 55 yards on 2 plays. It was like nobody was covering their wide out on 2 exactly plays in a row in the middle.

I HATE THE PREVENT! Prevent D will prevent you from actually winning the game!!

Crusader · 11-14-2011, 01:56 AM

The push the D-line had when they stuffed Turner on that last play is what I would like to see more from them. They were 2-3 yards deep in the Atlanta backfield forcing Turner to try to make a cut at 4 yards deep. What has ben killing us in the Run-D is the cutback when the whole D overpursuits.

iceshack149 · 11-14-2011, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by strato

Harper is good at the line no doubt 6.5 sacks leads all DBs..makes those Bama homers proud lol...also look at passes defensed Jabari and Cory Webster are tied wth 15...tops in the NFL

NFL Stats: by Player Position

Using that same list (that Harper is #1 on) it shows that Greer, who has played well, is only better in two categories: interceptions and passes defensed. Greer has one int. so far this season but Harper has two forced fumbles.

Tit for tat, I love them both. Two good players on a garden variety defense.

11-14-2011, 12:41 AM	#21
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Originally Posted by iceshack149 Greer has played well this season but Harper brings more to the defense. EXACTLY! Harper shows up EVERY week! 10-and-3 today is off the charts. Harper saves our butts every week. Who do you think is making tackles when the front 7 misses? Ellis finally had a descent day today, and everybody else disappeared. Look back at the stats; NO two defensive lineman have had a good day on the same day. Smith or Jordan, but never both. Rogers/Franklin/Johnson/Turk/Charleston have all been missing in action. Johnson/Turk/Charleston have the low snap count excuse, the rest have no excuse. Besides Harper, Dunbar, Vilma when he's healthy, there is no consistency. We don't know what we will see from week to week. We just keep hoping "enough" people show up to play ball each week, and play well enough to get us another win.
	SaintSince67

11-14-2011, 12:49 AM	#23
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by darstep EXACTLY! Harper shows up EVERY week! 10-and-3 today is off the charts. Harper saves our butts every week. Who do you think is making tackles when the front 7 misses? Ellis finally had a descent day today, and everybody else disappeared. Look back at the stats; NO two defensive lineman have had a good day on the same day. Smith or Jordan, but never both. Rogers/Franklin/Johnson/Turk/Charleston have all been missing in action. Besides Harper, Dunbar, Vilma when he's healthy, there is no consistency. We don't know what we will see from week to week. We just keep hoping "enough" people show up to play ball each week. Enough to get us another win. Harper is good at the line no doubt 6.5 sacks leads all DBs..makes those Bama homers proud lol...also look at passes defensed Jabari and Cory Webster are tied wth 15...tops in the NFL NFL Stats: by Player Position
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11-14-2011, 12:59 AM	#25
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,756 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by jnormand I don't think the D played bad except for the final drive in the fourth quarter. And Ofcourse we frickin blitzed every time and left the middle of the field open. Our defense held the Clowns to three field goals in the red zone! I'm not gonna *** about that! I mean, I feel the same. Look, they bent most of the day but were very good in the red zone until the last part of the 4th. When the chips were down, we executed. BUT THE PREVENT DEFENSE MUST GO! THIS THREAD SHOULD BE ABOUT THE BANNING OF THE PREVENT DEFENSE IN GENERAL FROM GREGG WILLIAMS PLAYBOOK!** ScottF and strato like this.

11-14-2011, 01:10 AM	#28
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,756 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by strato Ive said that all evening....we gave them all that yardage in the prevent.. ALL OF IT! They got 55 yards on 2 plays. It was like nobody was covering their wide out on 2 exactly plays in a row in the middle. I HATE THE PREVENT! Prevent D will prevent you from actually winning the game!!

11-14-2011, 02:52 AM	#30
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by strato Harper is good at the line no doubt 6.5 sacks leads all DBs..makes those Bama homers proud lol...also look at passes defensed Jabari and Cory Webster are tied wth 15...tops in the NFL NFL Stats: by Player Position Using that same list (that Harper is #1 on) it shows that Greer, who has played well, is only better in two categories: interceptions and passes defensed. Greer has one int. so far this season but Harper has two forced fumbles. Tit for tat, I love them both. Two good players on a garden variety defense.

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11-14-2011, 12:48 AM	#22
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,756 Blog Entries: 45	But guys, I didn't see them run all over us today. Running is their "thing" and we executed enough to win. When the game was on the line, the D-line WON the game.

11-14-2011, 12:53 AM	#24
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,689	I don't think the D played bad except for the final drive in the fourth quarter. And Ofcourse we frickin blitzed every time and left the middle of the field open. Our defense held the Clowns to three field goals in the red zone! I'm not gonna ***** about that!

11-14-2011, 01:00 AM	#26
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Ive said that all evening....we gave them all that yardage in the prevent..

11-14-2011, 01:05 AM	#27
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	If the front 4 or 3 [scheme depending] could get pressure, Gregg wouldn't have to blitz as much to try and get to the quarterback. That would eliminate both problems, keeping the LBs in coverage and hurry the QB forcing bad decisions when we are in the prevent... But at the same time if the D-Line would be getting pressure, he would still blitz because our sack numbers would be way up...

11-14-2011, 01:56 AM	#29
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	The push the D-line had when they stuffed Turner on that last play is what I would like to see more from them. They were 2-3 yards deep in the Atlanta backfield forcing Turner to try to make a cut at 4 yards deep. What has ben killing us in the Run-D is the cutback when the whole D overpursuits.

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