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pherein 01-09-2012 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366285)
Have you watched the 49ers play? They didn't give up a rushing td for 3/4 of the season

They held the steelers to 3 points

They Have the best redzone defense in the league

Ppl say we give up yards but don't give up TDs

Well the 49ers are the best in the league at preventing Tds

Any defense looks brilliant playing the colts for 16 games. If we did that we would have 0 rushing TD's, and allow only 7pts a game, with and average of 61 points per game.....

Are you not understanding dam1953 is pointing out the quality of opponents they played?

saintfan 01-09-2012 04:16 PM

:bang2:

Maverick2299 01-09-2012 04:20 PM

This game is going to come down to the turn-over difference.

JNHarada 01-09-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 366217)
Why are we comparing running games? Let's compare passing, since that's what Drew holds records in so many categories...

Romo = 345 yards
Vick = 416 yards -ouch
Stafford = 293 yards
Manning = 311 yards
Roethlisburger = 330 yards
against the 49ers defense

and I know that Drew is better than all of those, with the better O-Line than the previous examples...

All of those except Romo were losses. And the cowboys won in OT.

lumm0x 01-09-2012 04:37 PM

They're good. We're better. Can't wait.

pherein 01-09-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JNHarada (Post 366333)
All of those except Romo were losses.

aaw to bad I thought you won those games I guess your worse than I thought.

|Mitch| 01-09-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JNHarada (Post 366333)
All of those except Romo were losses. And the cowboys won in OT.

you missed the whole emphasis of this thread;

the OP was just showing that other teams moved the ball on your D. I took it a step further and showed that lesser QB's put 300+ passing yards on your D. And if you think that if Drew throws for 416 and you still win, you're delusional...

homerj07 01-09-2012 07:59 PM

stats can say almost anything they want BUT I think there are some valid points.

It all boils down to who wants the game the most & which team can avoid stupid plays (i.e. Turnovers!!)

un3ek9er 01-09-2012 08:24 PM

I believe what Canton is implying is that even though we give up passing yards, what matters is points on the board which in my opinion should rank a defense. We have an average of 14.3 points. Steelers beat us by .1 point with 14.2. We gave up a garbage TD to the Rams in week 17 which knocked us down a peg.

You guys imply that you have a "bend don't break" defense. Well, that is exactly what the 9ers have. You can have the first 80 yds, but the last 20 belong to our defense. Hence, best red zone defense in football.

Who cares if you throw up 300 + yds on us if you're not scoring TD's and at the end, we come out with the win.

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 366326)
Any defense looks brilliant playing the colts for 16 games. If we did that we would have 0 rushing TD's, and allow only 7pts a game, with and average of 61 points per game.....

Are you not understanding dam1953 is pointing out the quality of opponents they played?

How many games did they get to choose on their schedule?

They play the games on their schedule and came out with an outstanding record

We played several weak teams too but nobody here will point that out.

You can't simply look at the schedule and pretend like it shows their deficiencies

The 49ers gave up yards but not TDs. Who really gives a crap if a qb throws for 900 yards if he can't put it in the end zone?

pherein 01-09-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366485)
How many games did they get to choose on their schedule?

They play the games on their schedule and came out with an outstanding record

We played several weak teams too but nobody here will point that out.

You can't simply look at the schedule and pretend like it shows their deficiencies

The 49ers gave up yards but not TDs. Who really gives a crap if a qb throws for 900 yards if he can't put it in the end zone?

OMG your text deaf

Your putting the #1 scoring offense vs the #4 defending red zone defense , and you don't understand what "quality of opponent" means? your quickly becoming a waste of time.

halloween 65 01-09-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366485)
How many games did they get to choose on their schedule?

They play the games on their schedule and came out with an outstanding record

We played several weak teams too but nobody here will point that out.

You can't simply look at the schedule and pretend like it shows their deficiencies

The 49ers gave up yards but not TDs. Who really gives a crap if a qb throws for 900 yards if he can't put it in the end zone?

Brees might throw for 900 with no TD's, I'll take 11 fg's any day of the week.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366299)
Lol they went 12-4 with the best defense in the league

Beating the steelers is a huge accomplishment

Alright then...how about shutting the rams out? We couldn't even manage beating them

You act like you have not watched our last 6 gsmes. We have been playing lights out football.

The 49ers won that game against the Steelers because of injuries. I'm sure that point has been made here.
The loss against the Broncos just confirms the point.

The Saints are a completely different team than the one that got beat by Tampa and St. Louis.

You either realize that or you are blind.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 366397)
you missed the whole emphasis of this thread;

the OP was just showing that other teams moved the ball on your D. I took it a step further and showed that lesser QB's put 300+ passing yards on your D. And if you think that if Drew throws for 416 and you still win, you're delusional...

I think he is delusional even if Drew doesn't.

Come on. We definitely win this game.

pherein 01-09-2012 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 366496)
I think he is delusional even if Drew doesn't.

Come on. We definitely win this game.

lol, it just amazes me he can't wrap his head around that your defensive or offensive rating is absolutely tied to the quality of teams you play. dam1953 did a very good job on the stats.

halloween 65 01-09-2012 09:14 PM

Who-Dat

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 09:21 PM

There were two teams in the NFC playoffs that scared me. Now, there is one. I think you know which one.

The West, let's face it, is kindergarten.

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 366495)
You act like you have not watched our last 6 gsmes. We have been playing lights out football.

The 49ers won that game against the Steelers because of injuries. I'm sure that point has been made here.
The loss against the Broncos just confirms the point.

The Saints are a completely different team than the one that got beat by Tampa and St. Louis.

You either realize that or you are blind.

Ok they beat the steelers because of injuries...not true but let's ignore that because you won't sway from it

What about the other 12 wins? Did they win those because of injuries too?

I do not think the 49ers are better...but I do think they are very good it will be a closer game than ppl think

The 49ers are every bit as good as their record says they are

Wins and losses are the most telling stats...not passing yardage given up

13-3 is about as impressive as you can be

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366504)
Wins and losses are the most telling stats...not passing yardage given up

If that's all you got, then we have nothing else to discuss.

Wow, this is the most amazing feeling of déjà vu.

|Mitch| 01-09-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366504)
I do not think the 49ers are better...

That is all!

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 09:31 PM

Lol you guys are embarrassing

Can't give a team some respect only to turn around and say nobody respects us

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 366505)
If that's all you got, then we have nothing else to discuss.

Wow, this is the most amazing feeling of déjà vu.

You didn't like anything else I said

Why not prove why passing stats are more important than wins and losses then

saintfan 01-09-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366515)
You didn't like anything else I said

Why not prove why passing stats are more important than wins and losses then

Dude you couldn't be further from the point if you were typing your responses from the moon.

:needle:

pherein 01-09-2012 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366512)

Can't give a team some respect only to turn around and say nobody respects us

dear god what does this mean, its like a kaleidoscope of thought

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366517)
Dude you couldn't be further from the point if you were typing your responses from the moon.

:needle:

So what is the point? You guys keep sayin this but I've touched on everything in this thread so maybe you guys don't know what the point is

Is it a weak schedule because they don't get to choose their opponents? Is it all the garbage yardage they give up to QBs?

Is it that our offense is so good that their defense should be begging for mercy before the game starts? The 49ers aren't scared of our offense

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366512)
Lol you guys are embarrassing

Can't give a team some respect only to turn around and say nobody respects us

I'm not saying no one respects us. Quite the opposite. I'm very sure there were MANY teams, who behind closed doors, felt substantial anxiety at the thought of facing us in the playoffs. Atlanta was most assuredly one of them.

I think the 49ers are greatly improved. To say that, I think we will beat them, is not to disrespect them. Unlike you however, I think we are the better football team. I don't really know how much better and I rarely offer a pick on points.

But, if you ask me who is winning more football games these days. It is teams with a frightening offense and a prevent (preferably opportunistic) defense. And, if we lose on Saturday, it will be because we turned the ball over and we failed to produce takeaways / score on defense. Of course, this scenario is one which, I believe, is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

But, Canton, what are you trying to say? That we should feel scared? Cause if that's all your looking for, it looks like you've come to the wrong place. Talk to me when we are headed to Lambeau.

saintfan 01-09-2012 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366519)
So what is the point? You guys keep sayin this but I've touched on everything in this thread so maybe you guys don't know what the point is

Is it a weak schedule because they don't get to choose their opponents? Is it all the garbage yardage they give up to QBs?

Is it that our offense is so good that their defense should be begging for mercy before the game starts? The 49ers aren't scared of our offense

Well of course. You're proven everything. You've even prove to all us ignoramuses that there is no God. You sir are just too brilliant for the internet. Any chance you will now leave and go somewhere else and dazzle that place with the self-proclaimed wonder that is you?

Please?

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 366518)
dear god what does this mean, its like a kaleidoscope of thought

Pherein, you kill me!!!!

LMAO.

dam1953 01-09-2012 09:51 PM

Pherein

Thanks for the help in trying to enlighten those who aren't.

To summarize what I was tying to illustrate with the stats. Since the loss to the Rams the Saints have been effectively the best offense to ever play the game, period. Pass, run it doesn't matter. The only team that can stop the Saint's offense is the Saints. We play our game, we win.

True, the 49ers have a good D. Good....not great. Great defenses dominate the run and the pass. Great defenses don' t have a pass defense ranked in the middle of the pack of NFL teams.

People forget that our offensive line was in a state of flux early in the year. Since our O-line has gelled Brees has had time to read War and Peace in the pocket and the O is putting up huge numbers.

Unless the 49ers can solve the riddle of where's Drew Candlestick Park can really turn off the lights because the party will be over.

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366522)
Well of course. You're proven everything. You've even prove to all us ignoramuses that there is no God. You sir are just too brilliant for the internet. Any chance you will now leave and go somewhere else and dazzle that place with the self-proclaimed wonder that is you?

Please?

OMG!!! You guys are hysterical!!!!

Much better than late night!!! LOL

dam1953 01-09-2012 09:52 PM

Pherein

Thanks for the help in trying to enlighten those who aren't.

To summarize what I was tying to illustrate with the stats. Since the loss to the Rams the Saints have been effectively the best offense to ever play the game, period. Pass, run it doesn't matter. The only team that can stop the Saint's offense is the Saints. We play our game, we win.

True, the 49ers have a good D. Good....not great. Great defenses dominate the run and the pass. Great defenses don' t have a pass defense ranked in the middle of the pack of NFL teams.

People forget that our offensive line was in a state of flux early in the year. Since our O-line has gelled Brees has had time to read War and Peace in the pocket and the O is putting up huge numbers.

Unless the 49ers can solve the riddle of where's Drew Candlestick Park can really turn off the lights because the party will be over.

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366522)
Well of course. You're proven everything. You've even prove to all us ignoramuses that there is no God. You sir are just too brilliant for the internet. Any chance you will now leave and go somewhere else and dazzle that place with the self-proclaimed wonder that is you?

Please?

Lol every time you post I just smile and nod

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone and I don't know if I've proven everyone wrong but I do know you've never had anything nice to say since ur buddy strato got banned. Is that what's eating away inside you?

Are you strato? Oh god I figured it out...I promise I won't tell anyone. Secrets safe with me big boy

saintfan 01-09-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 366525)
OMG!!! You guys are hysterical!!!!

Much better than late night!!! LOL

This isn't Cantoon's first foray into wonderment. Personally I think it's drugs or a lack of parenting, because very few well-heeled and sober people are this arrogant in the face of the rest of the world trying to tell him what a misinformed person he is, but either way I've seen this before. It's like one too many reruns of the Brady Bunch. :brood:

saintfan 01-09-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366527)
Lol every time you post I just smile and nod

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone and I don't know if I've proven everyone wrong but I do know you've never had anything nice to say since ur buddy strato got banned. Is that what's eating away inside you?

Are you strato? Oh god I figured it out...I promise I won't tell anyone. Secrets safe with me big boy

Thank you for leaving no doubt. Keep on going. I beg you to continue. Please do be my guest.

Does this mean you aren't leaving yet?

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 366520)
But, Canton, what are you trying to say? That we should feel scared? Cause if that's all your looking for, it looks like you've come to the wrong place. Talk to me when we are headed to Lambeau.

Of course not. But they should be respected

Ppl around the league laugh when forum boys try to knit pick stats like that

The playoffs are a whole new world and the 49ers just had a bye week to heal up and game plan for us.

They are very capable of beating us and I don't want to hear all the negative nancies all offseason if we do get beat. The 49ers definitely can beat us and it's not a knock on us...it's a credit to them

saintfan 01-09-2012 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366532)
Ppl around the league laugh when forum boys try to knit pick stats like that

So you're saying Stats don't tell the whole story? :doh:

WHO_DAT_CAT 01-09-2012 10:05 PM

Listen, I'm not disrespecting them. I'm sure they are much better coached this year and they are clearly playing better football.

But, if you want me to express hesitation about our chances, I believe I just did -- in my previous post -- sure there are ways we can get beat -- but frankly -- I think we will have to beat ourselves.

They are definitely NOT the better team. You seem to be saying they are our equal. I disagree.

Are you a Saints fan?

|Mitch| 01-09-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WHO_DAT_CAT (Post 366534)
Are you a Saints fan?

:popcorn:

CantonLegend 01-09-2012 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 366533)
So you're saying Stats don't tell the whole story? :doh:

Lmao you asked the question because you really don't know the answer

14.3 ppg allowed by their defense

A 13-3 record and the 2nd seed in the NFC

Those are stats worth mentioning

Pointless passing yards matter very little when you consider the other stats ore telling stats

Stats tell just about everything...ur just lookin at the wrong ones

saintfan 01-09-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 366536)
Lmao you asked the question because you really don't know the answer

14.3 ppg allowed by their defense

A 13-3 record and the 2nd seed in the NFC

Those are stats worth mentioning

Pointless passing yards matter very little when you consider the other stats ore telling stats

Stats tell just about everything...ur just lookin at the wrong ones

Wow. So the only stats that matter are the ones you decide matter? Dude you're making an ass out of yourself in front of anybody who's been here for more than about a month. Your act is tired. But by all means keep on going. It's kinda fun in a I-feel-like-wasting-time kinda way to watch you keep going.


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