Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

"With the 48th selection in the NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select ... Jeremy LeSueur, cornerback, Michigan."

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Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

My buddy is a huge Michigan fan. I saw every one of their games this past season. That guy can play. I wouldn\'t be at all unhappy if they nabbed him.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Bleh...I\'d rather have a half-dozen other guys in the 2nd round. Keith Smith & Joey Thomas are the main two I hope they target.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

well rage, y dont u tell me y u would want keith smith or joey thomas over Jeremy LeSueur, keith smith played at mcneese which is the same school that i attend and i really dont think he is all that and i have no idea who n the hell joey thomas is... while LeSueur played at michigan, which is a big time football program in which their secondary only allowed 5 TD passes all year long, excluding the rose bowl... so tell me, again Y LeSueur isnt your choice?

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Going to a big time school doesn\'t make you a better prospect. Just look at Charles Tillman last year. Keith Smith & Joey Thomas have about the same amount of hype as Tillman did coming out of college and he had a hell of a rookie season.

Thomas is 6\' and runs a 4.4. Smith is 5\'11\" and runs a 4.5. From what I have read, both dominated on their level.

Plus, here are some rankings from one of the more respected draft pages out there:
NAME CLASS SCHOOL HT WT
1. DeAngelo Hall Jr. Virginia Tech 5-11 200
2. Derrick Strait Sr. Oklahoma 5-11 195
3. Chris Gamble Jr. Ohio State 6-2 185
4. Keith Smith Sr. McNeese State 5-11 185
5. Joey Thomas Sr. Montana State 6-1 195
6. Keiwan Ratliff Sr. Florida 5-9 170
7. Batman Carroll Jr. Arkansas 5-11 190
8. Will Poole Sr. USC 5-10 185
9. Nathan Vasher Sr. Texas 5-10 175
10.Vontez Duff Sr. Notre Dame 5-11 195
11.Shawntae Spencer Sr. Pittsburgh 6-2 185
12.Ricardo Colclough Sr. Tusculum 5-10 190
13.Lawrence Richardson Sr. Arkansas 5-10 185
14.Janssen Patton Sr. Bowling Green 6-0 185
15.Jeremy LaSeuer Sr. Michigan 5-11 200
If we wanted LaSeuer, I would bet that we could pick him up in the 3rd round.

[Edited on 18/3/2004 by rAge]

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Round 2

Pick

Richard Seigler, 6-3, 235, Oregon State

Great hitter , great motor and great leader . 3 traits missing from the Saints linebacker core ....

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

we are talkin about corners in this thread 08, not some scrub linebacker from oregon state

[Edited on 3/18/2004 by pakowitz]

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Seigler is hardly a scrub. He should go around the time our first 2nd round pick comes up and he may even go higher than that. He could potentially end up in the late 1st round. Remember Nick Barnett last year? Yeah...

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

nick barnett? please man, he wasnt that great, he played on a packers team whose defensive line was marred by injuries, and that forced him to make alot of tackles.. he had 112 of them, and 3 ints. thats not too bad but he played on a very pourous defense and he should have actually made more plays then he did b/c they just sucked on D last year, they played a total of 4 playoff teams with a 2-2 record in those games, and in those 4 games he had a total of 26 tackles....they played Detroit(twice) Arizona, San Diego, Chicago(Twice) Oakland thats not really great comp. and he didnt really blow up in those games either...... plain n simple, even against one of the weakest schedules he didnt blow away the competition....i was not impressed by him... at all

[Edited on 3/18/2004 by pakowitz]

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One probelm is you really shouldn\'t rely on all these mocks and junk. Hell I can post one and someone who things its good could believe it. Please... unless its the actual Saints War Room Draft Book or any other teams... it simply doesn\'t matter who is rated higher than another. Because when a team picks a player there will be a huge debate on how much value a player or team got at that pick and its all OPININATED! ...And Opinions are like what??? ASSWHOLES! Everyone\'s got one. Not only does team needs and talent of a player count but also if the player will be a good fit and a major contributor for a team, and yes now or in a few years.

LeSueur is a legit pick in the second round but not at 48... I\'ll give ya the 60th pick. Could he come in and start... ??? I think so, I seen him several times and he is a sleeper pick in this draft. I think he will come in and make an impact just as well as any other top CB\'s.

Thomas is the other one I have been eyeing but only becuase of his size.

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Yeah ok bud. The guy was the best rookie LB last season. He only won Defensive Rookie of the Month about 3 times. But he\'s just \'soo average\' and didn\'t impress someone who hasn\'t even heard of half the players in the draft because he only knows big school players...this isn\'t even worth arguing.

How did someone so ignorant become a MOD?

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i only know big schools eh? how in the world do you know what it is that i know, u have no idea what you are talking about, sure he was the best rookie LB last year, in a LB class of who? exactly, there was one LB who was taken in the first round, it was nick barnett.... that really shows how good of a LB class they had last year.... he and boss bailey were the best LBs available last year... and im saying that he doesnt impress me, it was a weak draft for linebackers, everyone on this board knows that b/c we discussed it last year about this time over and over again, and since you know everything there is to know about it, im sure that u knew that too...im not saying he sucked ass, im saying that he wasnt all that great as u make him out to be.... he was the best of a poor bunch, big freakin deal.....

about me only knowing small schools your way out of your league here pal, ive seen keith smith play this year in 4 home games, i go to mcneese st so dont tell me i dont know him, now im not saying he is bad, but i am saying that he is a decent corner who really wasnt attacked at the small school level, no team wanted to throw at him b/c they feared him and at that level he was a good corner but, in the senior bowl he was exploited by several WRs, they threw all over him, and if you had seen the game, maybe u would know that... now i have not seen the montana st. guy play so i can not comment on how i think he would pan out, but back to LaSeuer, the guy was arguably the best corner on arguably the best secondary in the nation, now i aint sayin he gonna be the man, or that we should even draft him, i am saying that he can play, he played better at the senior bowl then keith smith did, and everyone saw it, and on-field play is what counts, not 40 times or bench reps n all dat other crap....Performance matters...

and one more thing...... about you calling me ignorant, u must be the ignorant one for attacking a mod... you have no idea who u are dealing with.... if you want some credentials... Y dont you ask the guys on this board Y they call me Yoda, its cuz i know everything, ask whodat he gave me the name, ask BnB, ask 08, ask saintfan, ask Joesam, hell ask HALO



[Edited on 3/19/2004 by pakowitz]

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

rAge,

Most of us come here to hang out and talk, not insult one another. If you do want to call people names, at least be clever or creative. Calling someone ignorant? Sure, I guess you get your point across, but you gain no real style points. In fact I\'d give your meager confrontational banter a 3 out of 10, placing it in the pre-adolescent, gee-I-wonder-what-french-kissing-feels-like, stage of male developmental bonding rituals.

Nice start, but being the sort of knowledgable chap you are, I\'m sure you have greater aspirations.

We welcome you here and enjoy your charming repartee. However, at least I personally would appreciate a bit more time and posts under your belt before you begin attacking our mediclorine master.

Didn\'t you see the big Y break one off in Sauraman\'s a-hole in Episode Three?

[Edited on 19/3/2004 by whowatches]

[Edited on 19/3/2004 by whowatches]

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

thank you sir, may i have another!

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Gotta give him this Pak, it is brassy. Not real bright, but brassy.

Would you like to borrow my FUrA t-shirt?

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

With the comments coming out about LeSueur from the combine from the scouts and the fact that just about every mock has him listed at or near the bottom of the top 20 available . Seems the only thing to discuss about this player would be , why waste a second round pick on him ? Talk about a scrub ............

Combine Notes

Defensive Backs

Jeremy LeSueur Michigan

I think Jeremy has the talent more for the free safety position. The problem is, I’m not sure he understands the mental aspects of that position or that he ever will.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

actually BMG, i think we should start marketing them... im sure we can sell a few on this site.. hell, ill buy 2 myself

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Let\'s pick a guy from Michigan that got his a$$ handed to him by a future first round draft pick, and the rest of USC. Michigan plays against alot of smashmouth teams and no really talented WR\'s, so I think he\'s suspect. I\'m not sure there is a CB that I\'m really impressed with because the only CB I want the saints to have decided to stay in school, im not naming any names but he plays for LSU ;) It is a 2nd round pick so it doesnt worry me because it\'s the saints and they probably will do something dumb anyways.... :(

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

ding ding ding. Glad to see we have at least one smart MOD around here.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

It wasn\'t an insult, as much as it was a question. I was asking how could someone as ignorant as he is, be a MOD here. That and the fact that he types like a 12 year old and doesn\'t really seem to have any idea what he is talking about, doesn\'t exactly say a lot about this forum. I always thought the MOD\'s were supposed to represent what the forum is. Maybe that\'s just me...

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Part 1 - I never said he was great. I was making a point that a lot of people thought the Packers pick was stupid, but it turned out to be very solid. He had an excellet rookie year (especially considering it was his first year at MLB) and can only get better. If I remember right, he went to Oregon State...same school as Seigler. That\'s why I brought his name into the thread. Seigler is around the same level as Barnett was coming out last year. If we were able to get a Nick Barnett at the end of the 2nd, or even into the 3rd round...I\'m sure you would take him.

Part 2 - So you see one player from a small school player...and that takes away from all the stupid stuff you have said about others? Like saying Seigler is a \'scub\' and by saying LeSueur is the \'best corner\' from the \'best secondary\' in the country (neither of which are true statements) AND by saying you have never even heard of Joey Thomas. To say you never seen him is one thing, but to run your mouth and then say you never even heard of a top 5 CB prospect...that is just ignornat my friend. And weren\'t you also the one who brought up the idiotic idea that the Redskins might trade the #5 overall pick for Darren Howard? If I looked into it farther, I bet I could come up with a dozen more stupid ideas/comments that you have said.
They call you Yoda eh? More like Jar Jar...

Part 3 - I don\'t care who you are. You may have \'mod\' under your name, but it doesn\'t mean jack to me. I\'m not going to give you special treatment for a title that mean exactly nothing to me. If you owned this page, it would be a different story. But as far as I know, you\'re just some guy who kissed enough ass to be a MOD. Wow...you\'re so special...

next...

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#1- your right, u never said he was great but u stated that he was the best LB last year and was defensive rookie of the month about 3 times... so that sounds pretty much to me like you are saying that he is at least descent, but again, i agree, he is descent, descent enough to be the best of a poor group, big deal

#2 i never said he sucked, i just said that i never heard of him, ive never read or seen anything making him such a special player. im sure he is a descent player, but i dont want descent players, there are a thousand descent players out there i want a solid player who will strive to be better then just descent, guys who will contribute every game and practice hard to be the best. so Y should i think he is that type of guy when he gets no press, nothing said, nothing written saying that he is a good player, now im sure they are some articles or news shows that have shown him and talked about him, im sorry that i dont have all the free time like you do to sit at home and do nothing but look up draft info and watch your secret stash of porn or whatever it is you do.

#3 you should care who i am, b/c i control you while you are on this board. we will not tolerate your poor attitude on this board, and if it continues, i will ban you... so even tho u may not think that you should give me special treatment just b/c of my title, maybe you should read the rules at the top of the forum before you start blasting away at someone, especially someone who can and will have you removed if you keep it up.... HAVE A NICE DAY...

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1 - He\'s better than decent. He blows any of our Lb\'s out of the water and is a top 15 MLB in the league.

2 - This shows your ignorance. Warren Sapp and Meshawn Johnson get tons of press, it doesn\'t mean they are worth a damn.
Yes, there are thousands of decent players, including the guy you made this topic about. The only difference is, the guys I mentioned are better than just \'decent\'.
And I don\'t sit online all day looking up draft stuff, sorry to disappoint.

3 - Oh boy, you\'re going to ban me. I\'m so scared.
Banning someone for telling you the truth (in this case, calling you ignorant) is childish.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Was he talkin \'bout 08? He was talkin\' about 08 wasn\'t he? Freakin\' rookies man I tell ya. :P

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

So is a condescending attitude, one that you’ve had since day one. Everyone here is guilty of it at one point or another, but you’ve remained pretty consistent since your initial post. The sad thing is, most of what you post, after sifting through the garbage, is mostly dead-on. Too bad it’s lost to most other posters amongst the other meaningless dribble. At least we know what to expect, eh?
Fact- your bit is old and tired, and I hope this won’t bruise your ego, but there have been others that were bigger *******s than you have been. They came, like a fart in the wind, a lingering stinch for a short period of time, only to fade from the senses, and eventually the memory. My only question to you is- when will you fade away? Or will you linger so long that the inevitable can of Lysol (read Moderator) comes in and forces you out?

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

I smell a swampdawg... :cool:

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Yeah, that was my first thought back when started posting, but he didn\'t answer when I called him \"George\" and Swampdawg was an AB hater, rage isn\'t.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

You\'re right...I hadn\'t put the AB thing together, but maybe it\'s just that swampdawg realized the error of his Brooks-hatin\' ways. LOL

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Nah, Swampy was just an ignorant fool. This guy at least knows what he is talking about, if you read through the rest of his crap. However they are both similar in the following ways:
1. Neither listen too well
2. Neither have respect for others opinions
3. Both talk a lot of crap
4. Both entertain me when they pick a fight. (rAge with Pak, Swampy with B&B)

Time to sit back and watch the fight. :cool:

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

I miss George :( He was fun to joust with. Hell, he did half the work for me ;)

Maybe, but I really don\'t think he was smart enough to know how to change his mind.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

I\'m not trying to be an *******, I just state reality without worrying about if it will piss someone off or not. This world is too PC, I\'m just doing my part to break that.

As for the end of your post, which I took as a question - the only reason I am here is because there aren\'t any Saints fans at the forum I regularly post at. Altho I disagree with 90% of the crap you guys think, it\'s nice to talk with others who like the same team that I do.
BTW, most of the people at that forum I regularly post at (which can be found in my sig :D ), thought the same of me when I first showed up as you do. I now am a MOD there and have very few problems with anyone. I guess you just have to just deal with the fact that I don\'t care if I offend you or not...once you get past that, I don\'t think we will have a problem.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Oh enough already! This guy is Whodat with a new screen name! ;) LOL

Just raggin\' ya rAge. Relax. You just managed to tangle with one of the more respected members here. It\'s Whodat you need to pick a fight with! hehe...

You love me Whodat, and you KNOW it. LMAO
:P
:P

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look dude, i was trying to be civil the whole time, you calling me ignorant isnt gonna help you on this board, and if you want to stay on this board, then you will have to change your attitude, i had no problem with the info that u state, you put up a very good argument, and that is what this board is all about, people come to this board to talk about the saints, not have some fool running his mouth calling them ignorant, and i for one, will not let you do it to anyone here, especially me, so either u can stop calling people names or u will be gone, there are no ifs ans or buts about it... u wont be the first guy to be banned on this site, and im sure u wouldnt be the last, its up to you if u want to be here or not, i cant make u change, but i can do whats best for the readers of this board.....i dont want to ban you, like BnB said, you are right on about alot of things, but most of it is lost in your ignorance, and your attitude....the choice is yours...


p.s. the force is strong with this one, cloudy his future is....

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

wholy run on sentence batman...

BTW, if you\'re going to use a word, use it correctly. \'ignorance\' means uneducated, unaware or uninformed. I think I have proven that it does not appy to me.

thank you

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And yet, succeeding beyond your wildest imaginings. :D

Now this I can live with. As long as there\'s an equal opportunity to offend everyone.
So rAge, get your nose out of Vilma\'s derrière long enough to realize that we are drafting Randy Starks, DT, Maryland at #18. And as logical as it is to draft Eli, I know that Haz loves Brooks almost as much as you love Vilma to ever go out and draft a franchise QB.

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

Starks is going to be the best DT in the draft, so drafting him wouldn\'t be a bad thing. But the chances of us taking him are probably slim to none...

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

That\'s right BnB. I control the condescending racket around here! And the Pessimism racket too! I won\'t have no rookie coming in and trying muscle in on my turf! LOL ;)

We\'ll call it love/hate. ;) Unfortunately, this guy isn\'t me. I already tussled with him a little, but very minor. I have been kind of licking my chops though... it\'ll happen. Although he needs to make it more about football and less about the other person if he wants any of his debates to go down as a great here - a la the Saintfan/Billy v WhoDat/BnB of last year.

[Edited on 20/3/2004 by WhoDat]

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Well if we all want to talk about football again maybe, I\'d like to point out that I am more intrigued with Matt Ware than I am LeSuere.

Ware has great size, (6\'3) and good speed. He has promising cover skills, although he is a bit raw because he was bounced back and forth between Safety and Corner at UCLA. Like most tall players, he has much better straight line speed than he does quickness,

While he\'ll never be a guy that can shut down the smaller, quick recievers (Steve Smith, etc.) he does have the size and ability to take a big, fast reciever out of the game.

I really think that Ware and D-lo Hall would be a great combination as they compliment each other perfectly. (D-Lo can match against small fast recievers, Ware against the bigger possesion guys).

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

People arguing and fighting on here like some little girls, it\'s so cute. Wah, I have the power to ban, wah, you not coming to my birthday party, just becuase people disagree, gives no one a right to call names, do not make me put yall into time out. What the hell is going on in here, you cant say a player isnt that great because the rest of the players at his position in the draft suck. So Mike Vick is just a normal qb because the rest of the qb\'s that year are riding the pine. Boo hoo, whatever, if the saints draft him we know he isnt worth a damn, if they pass on him then we know he\'s a future hall of famer.

Maybe we shouldnt have got rid of Dale Carter I am not saying he is this great cb but I am saying he\'s better than what we have.

Now yall kiss and make up and let\'s get back to bashing brooks, oops i mean solving our problems......

Michigan CB deserves second look in second round by Saints
 

[/quote:78e09aa3ef]Maybe we shouldnt have got rid of Dale Carter I am not saying he is this great cb but I am saying he\'s better than what we have.
[/quote:78e09aa3ef]

I feel that at the time of his release, Carter\'s salary was way too high. If he were to come back at min. salary, that\'s fine with me. But, I don\'t want a cb that plays a few games a year at over 2 mil. salary. I feel if he stayed healthy, he would be very solid. As far as being better than we have. Maybe. Maybe when healthy, but when you are hurt or suspended half the time and can\'t get on the field, then he\'s no good to us. I am not trying to pick a fight cause there is enough of that going on. Just an opinion of a fan. Call me \"ignorant\" if you want, but it makes sense to me.

[Edited on 21/3/2004 by Boogro]