MALCOLM JENKINS..........

TopCow · 01-14-2012, 08:49 PM

1) San Francisco brought the wood and caused turnover after turnover. We didn't and it cost us a trip to Indianapolis.
2) We cannot create a pass rush with a defensive line and an occasional linebacker. That's because we draft a lot of safeties, linebackers, and even cornerbacks who can be plugged in and out at various positions and can fill multiple roles. And who are not all that great at their primary assignments. Adequate at everything, excellent at nothing. We saw linebackers, defensive linemen, and SAFETIES (Great God) getting beat reapeatedly. If GW could just fill each position with a player who is excellent at that position, I suspect our defense would not collapse in the face of a shrewd offensive coordinator.

Hayduke · 01-14-2012, 08:53 PM

Jenkins is a great player, I love the kid, he will only get better.

But what are you going to do when Harper has the most sacks on the team?

We need a fierce front 7 that gets after the run and the QB better, and leave our outside guys to practice catching footballs and work on their man coverage.

G504 · 01-14-2012, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay

Jenkins played a bad game but he was put in bad situations. Davis was their ONLY legitimate receiver today and we left him one on one with a safety.

Even though he dropped a lot of passes today, we still had to respect Crabtree. That's their number one option. And in theory, he's a lot faster than Davis. Davis just wanted it much more than Jenkins did.

Time for another burial ceremony of all of our pass accomplishments and get hungry again. Act like we never won it. Like we're still fighting 45 years of history. Like a half million Katrina victims are still counting on the team to bring some cheer back to New Orleans.

Captain Catfish · 01-14-2012, 08:55 PM

What really needs to happen is move Harper to SLB (he would be a little small, but it is his natural position) and draft a SS. Oh, and hope like hell someone else offers to pay Greg Williams' salary next year.

G504 · 01-14-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by TopCow

2) We cannot create a pass rush with a defensive line and an occasional linebacker.

Very true. I only heard Will Smith's name once all day. And that was when they said Gore got a good block on Smith

LivnaLieTimay · 01-14-2012, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by G504

Even though he dropped a lot of passes today, we still had to respect Crabtree. That's their number one option. And in theory, he's a lot faster than Davis. Davis just wanted it much more than Jenkins did.

The niners were on their own 30 with 40 seconds left. No one should be left on an island in that situation. I agree that Jenkins was outplayed by Davis but Jenkins should have been back in coverage keeping receivers in front of him, not matched up in man with the only offensive player who was playing well.

westbankdaze · 01-14-2012, 10:37 PM

I really thought that MJ was going to be Sharper Lite but he just hasnt panned out. I really don't know what to do but I suspect quddus will be our new starting FS next year.

halloween 65 · 01-14-2012, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

I really thought that MJ was going to be Sharper Lite but he just hasnt panned out. I really don't know what to do but I suspect quddus will be our new starting FS next year.

I'm thinking the same thing, Jenkins may be a #1 pick but he does not play like one, I'm not seeing the up-side of his game and haven't for a while.

WHO_DAT_CAT · 01-14-2012, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by saints1234

i dont blame the D at all they played a hell of a game and they held as long as they could before they broke so dont go blaming them if u want to blame anyone its the 5 turnovers, or the O-line or the complete lost of a run game Payton was not even trying to run the ball and every time he would every body new it was coming because he would send Ivory in and every body nos that means run.....The offense finally got it together a put some points up....but dont go blaming the D it had nothing to do with them

I think the D coaching wasn't great late in the 4th. But, other than that I agree with you.

dizzle88 · 01-15-2012, 06:49 AM

Jenkins played awesome at the end of 2010 and it made you think he had a couple picks and would get even better in 2011 - almost as you said "turning into darren sharper"

At this point I don't know if he'd be better suited to SS, but then roman excels because of how GW plays him to his strengths and I wouldn't want to lose that.
Jenkins got burned by CJ last week ( yeah I know he's the best wideout in the NFl) for 210 yards and 2 TD's
This week he gave vermin davis 180 yards and 2 TD's

We need a safety that understands the coverage more but most of all we need a damn pass rush without sending 7 frickin players after the QB.
Look at what spags did with new yorks front 4, if GW leaves I'd love for him to come here

01-14-2012, 08:49 PM	#21
TopCow 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 299	I don't like two things... 1) San Francisco brought the wood and caused turnover after turnover. We didn't and it cost us a trip to Indianapolis. 2) We cannot create a pass rush with a defensive line and an occasional linebacker. That's because we draft a lot of safeties, linebackers, and even cornerbacks who can be plugged in and out at various positions and can fill multiple roles. And who are not all that great at their primary assignments. Adequate at everything, excellent at nothing. We saw linebackers, defensive linemen, and SAFETIES (Great God) getting beat reapeatedly. If GW could just fill each position with a player who is excellent at that position, I suspect our defense would not collapse in the face of a shrewd offensive coordinator. nicebush25 likes this.
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01-14-2012, 08:53 PM	#22
Hayduke Rookie Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 26	Jenkins is a great player, I love the kid, he will only get better. But what are you going to do when Harper has the most sacks on the team? We need a fierce front 7 that gets after the run and the QB better, and leave our outside guys to practice catching footballs and work on their man coverage.
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01-14-2012, 08:54 PM	#23
G504 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 424	Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay Jenkins played a bad game but he was put in bad situations. Davis was their ONLY legitimate receiver today and we left him one on one with a safety. Even though he dropped a lot of passes today, we still had to respect Crabtree. That's their number one option. And in theory, he's a lot faster than Davis. Davis just wanted it much more than Jenkins did. Time for another burial ceremony of all of our pass accomplishments and get hungry again. Act like we never won it. Like we're still fighting 45 years of history. Like a half million Katrina victims are still counting on the team to bring some cheer back to New Orleans. WHO_DAT_CAT likes this.

01-14-2012, 08:55 PM	#24
Captain Catfish Rookie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 9	What really needs to happen is move Harper to SLB (he would be a little small, but it is his natural position) and draft a SS. Oh, and hope like hell someone else offers to pay Greg Williams' salary next year.
Captain Catfish Rookie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 9

01-14-2012, 08:56 PM	#25
G504 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 424	Originally Posted by TopCow 2) We cannot create a pass rush with a defensive line and an occasional linebacker. Very true. I only heard Will Smith's name once all day. And that was when they said Gore got a good block on Smith

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01-14-2012, 09:07 PM	#26
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	Originally Posted by G504 Even though he dropped a lot of passes today, we still had to respect Crabtree. That's their number one option. And in theory, he's a lot faster than Davis. Davis just wanted it much more than Jenkins did. The niners were on their own 30 with 40 seconds left. No one should be left on an island in that situation. I agree that Jenkins was outplayed by Davis but Jenkins should have been back in coverage keeping receivers in front of him, not matched up in man with the only offensive player who was playing well.

01-14-2012, 10:37 PM	#27
westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	I really thought that MJ was going to be Sharper Lite but he just hasnt panned out. I really don't know what to do but I suspect quddus will be our new starting FS next year.
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01-14-2012, 10:49 PM	#28
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by westbankdaze I really thought that MJ was going to be Sharper Lite but he just hasnt panned out. I really don't know what to do but I suspect quddus will be our new starting FS next year. I'm thinking the same thing, Jenkins may be a #1 pick but he does not play like one, I'm not seeing the up-side of his game and haven't for a while.

01-14-2012, 11:20 PM	#29
WHO_DAT_CAT 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California - Bay Area Posts: 386	Originally Posted by saints1234 i dont blame the D at all they played a hell of a game and they held as long as they could before they broke so dont go blaming them if u want to blame anyone its the 5 turnovers, or the O-line or the complete lost of a run game Payton was not even trying to run the ball and every time he would every body new it was coming because he would send Ivory in and every body nos that means run.....The offense finally got it together a put some points up....but dont go blaming the D it had nothing to do with them I think the D coaching wasn't great late in the 4th. But, other than that I agree with you.

01-15-2012, 06:49 AM	#30
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Jenkins played awesome at the end of 2010 and it made you think he had a couple picks and would get even better in 2011 - almost as you said "turning into darren sharper" At this point I don't know if he'd be better suited to SS, but then roman excels because of how GW plays him to his strengths and I wouldn't want to lose that. Jenkins got burned by CJ last week ( yeah I know he's the best wideout in the NFl) for 210 yards and 2 TD's This week he gave vermin davis 180 yards and 2 TD's We need a safety that understands the coverage more but most of all we need a damn pass rush without sending 7 frickin players after the QB. Look at what spags did with new yorks front 4, if GW leaves I'd love for him to come here
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