The annual 3-4 switch post

Danno · 01-15-2012, 02:35 PM

Every year someone suggests it, and every year I've laughed at it.

Our top players on defense were 100% suited for 4-3 defense. Will Smith, John Vilma, Sedrick Ellis would all be a fish out of water in a 3-4.

But I wonder if any of those guys will even be with us in 2012.

Looking at youth, we have a lot of young guys suited for a 3-4. Galette, Jordan, and Martez would fit nicely in a 3-4.

I heard the name Mike Nolan rumored to be in the DC mix. He's turned defenses around quickly, and he's strictly a 3-4 guy.

If we hear Mike Nolan a bit more in the coming days, look for the 3-4 switch to finally happen, and say goodbye to Smith, Vilma and Ellis.

If we hear Del Rio and Spags more and more, we'll likely stay in our 4-3.

Either way we need 3 or 4 acquisitions along the front 7 to improve this defense substantially.

hagan714 · 01-15-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Either way we need 3 or 4 acquisitions along the front 7 to improve this defense substantially.

bingo we have a winner

Halo · 01-15-2012, 02:49 PM

3-4... man we barely have the personnel to put 3 linebackers out there right now. If we moved from the 4-3 to the 3-4, it may take 2 years of reloading and drafting to get the right personnel in place.

I think Del Rio or Spags are best fit, with Spags my preference. We need VETERAN upgrades at safety/corner, linebacker and d-line.

|Mitch| · 01-15-2012, 03:55 PM

I say we get the coordinator first and then worry about the details...

Danno · 01-15-2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

3-4... man we barely have the personnel to put 3 linebackers out there right now. If we moved from the 4-3 to the 3-4, it may take 2 years of reloading and drafting to get the right personnel in place.

I think Del Rio or Spags are best fit, with Spags my preference. We need VETERAN upgrades at safety/corner, linebacker and d-line.

We only have 1 LB that can play the 4-3, and he's getting old.

My point was since we need 3 or 4 players in the front 7, why not target 3-4 players.

We need the same amount of upgrades regardless of scheme.

Rugby Saint II · 01-16-2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We only have 1 LB that can play the 4-3, and he's getting old.

My point was since we need 3 or 4 players in the front 7, why not target 3-4 players.

We need the same amount of upgrades regardless of scheme.

Huh! I never looked at it that way before. The FO needs to make their decision about coaches(DC as well as some Asst. coaches maybe Dline) and then we can set course and start sailing into next year.

jeanpierre · 01-16-2012, 10:30 PM

I brought up the 3-4 comment and it is because of the younger, recent acquisitions...

And as was rightfully pointed out, many of the YOUNGER acquisitions would transition nicely to a 3-4 defense...

There is considerable salary room tied up in Vilma, Smith, and Ellis...

Said move would free up money for acquisitions and possible draft picks...

And as has also been pointed out, many of our linebackers suck as it is and would have to be replaced...

Jo-Lonn would be a very good Middle Linebacker with less responsibilities among four linebackers...

Franklin has the size to be a great nose tackle for the 3-4, if retained...

Tom Johnson also has the size to transition for the 3-4 as well...

But would you want your better athletes at LB or DT?

That is one of the fundamental arguments in debate of the front seven alignment...

Considering the acquisitions, Williams departure, it is an appropriate time to discuss the type of defense as it could influence the selection of the new defensive coordinator...

Euphoria · 01-16-2012, 10:32 PM

Vilma was a no body in a 3-4

Euphoria · 01-16-2012, 10:33 PM

Our DE's and OLB shouldn't even be on an NFL field.

They'd be back up on most NFL teams let alone starters in a 3-4.

|Mitch| · 01-16-2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Our DE's and OLB shouldn't even be on an NFL field.

They'd be back up on most NFL teams let alone starters in a 3-4.

Martez Wilson has shown he can be a starter; and he has the speed and size to play in a 3-4 I think...

01-15-2012, 02:35 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The annual 3-4 switch post Every year someone suggests it, and every year I've laughed at it. Our top players on defense were 100% suited for 4-3 defense. Will Smith, John Vilma, Sedrick Ellis would all be a fish out of water in a 3-4. But I wonder if any of those guys will even be with us in 2012. Looking at youth, we have a lot of young guys suited for a 3-4. Galette, Jordan, and Martez would fit nicely in a 3-4. I heard the name Mike Nolan rumored to be in the DC mix. He's turned defenses around quickly, and he's strictly a 3-4 guy. If we hear Mike Nolan a bit more in the coming days, look for the 3-4 switch to finally happen, and say goodbye to Smith, Vilma and Ellis. If we hear Del Rio and Spags more and more, we'll likely stay in our 4-3. Either way we need 3 or 4 acquisitions along the front 7 to improve this defense substantially. Rugby Saint II and halloween 65 like this.

01-15-2012, 02:40 PM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Originally Posted by Danno Either way we need 3 or 4 acquisitions along the front 7 to improve this defense substantially. bingo we have a winner

01-15-2012, 02:49 PM	#3
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	3-4... man we barely have the personnel to put 3 linebackers out there right now. If we moved from the 4-3 to the 3-4, it may take 2 years of reloading and drafting to get the right personnel in place. I think Del Rio or Spags are best fit, with Spags my preference. We need VETERAN upgrades at safety/corner, linebacker and d-line. \|Mitch\| likes this.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	I say we get the coordinator first and then worry about the details... Halo, Ashley, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

01-15-2012, 04:51 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by Halo 3-4... man we barely have the personnel to put 3 linebackers out there right now. If we moved from the 4-3 to the 3-4, it may take 2 years of reloading and drafting to get the right personnel in place. I think Del Rio or Spags are best fit, with Spags my preference. We need VETERAN upgrades at safety/corner, linebacker and d-line. We only have 1 LB that can play the 4-3, and he's getting old. My point was since we need 3 or 4 players in the front 7, why not target 3-4 players. We need the same amount of upgrades regardless of scheme. Halo, neugey, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

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01-16-2012, 05:05 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Originally Posted by Danno We only have 1 LB that can play the 4-3, and he's getting old. My point was since we need 3 or 4 players in the front 7, why not target 3-4 players. We need the same amount of upgrades regardless of scheme. Huh! I never looked at it that way before. The FO needs to make their decision about coaches(DC as well as some Asst. coaches maybe Dline) and then we can set course and start sailing into next year.

01-16-2012, 10:30 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	I brought up the 3-4 comment and it is because of the younger, recent acquisitions... And as was rightfully pointed out, many of the YOUNGER acquisitions would transition nicely to a 3-4 defense... There is considerable salary room tied up in Vilma, Smith, and Ellis... Said move would free up money for acquisitions and possible draft picks... And as has also been pointed out, many of our linebackers suck as it is and would have to be replaced... Jo-Lonn would be a very good Middle Linebacker with less responsibilities among four linebackers... Franklin has the size to be a great nose tackle for the 3-4, if retained... Tom Johnson also has the size to transition for the 3-4 as well... But would you want your better athletes at LB or DT? That is one of the fundamental arguments in debate of the front seven alignment... Considering the acquisitions, Williams departure, it is an appropriate time to discuss the type of defense as it could influence the selection of the new defensive coordinator...
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01-16-2012, 10:32 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Vilma was a no body in a 3-4 Halo likes this.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Our DE's and OLB shouldn't even be on an NFL field. They'd be back up on most NFL teams let alone starters in a 3-4.

01-16-2012, 10:37 PM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by Euphoria Our DE's and OLB shouldn't even be on an NFL field. They'd be back up on most NFL teams let alone starters in a 3-4. Martez Wilson has shown he can be a starter; and he has the speed and size to play in a 3-4 I think...

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