Mannings are football's first family

saintz08 · 03-20-2004, 11:34 PM

Let's do it," says Peyton Manning to his brother Eli.

Eli nods.

They approach each other grimly. "OK," says Peyton. "Turn around."

Eli obeys. They stand back to back.

"So who's taller?" Peyton asks. Eli stands on his toes. "Now, don't you do that," says Peyton.

Eli stops. They settle down. It's 6-5 Peyton by half an inch. No question.

"See, I knew I still have you," says the older brother, triumph in his voice.

Some things in the pecking order of brothers never change, even if you are Peyton Manning, maybe the best player in the NFL, and Eli Manning, who should be the No. 1 choice in April's draft. Eli may be the better basketball player and may be able to fling a Nerf Vortex football 15 yards farther. ("I destroyed him," says Eli proudly). But he's still younger and smaller.

Peyton Manning has given younger brother Eli a particularly tough act to follow.
Associated Press

Eli also is the last of the fabulous Manning boys, the final star in the most remarkable family in the history of pro football. We've never seen anything like this: father Archie, second pick in the 1971 draft by the Saints before embarking on a highly lauded and heroic 15-year career; middle son Peyton, the first choice in the 1998 draft and the reigning league co-MVP; and youngest son Eli, the savior of the Ole Miss football program and second-most popular player in school history behind ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â who else? ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â his dad. Every one a quarterback ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â all gifted, intelligent and, dare we say in this era of hard edges and bad-boy personas, nice. Their father could be the best-liked person to ever play the game, and his sons are a mixture of politeness and respect that masks a marked determination that characterizes seemingly everything a Manning undertakes. They get it in a way so many of their peers don't.

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2232642

pakowitz · 03-20-2004, 11:52 PM

i posted that about 4 or 5 days ago.......

[Edited on 3/21/2004 by pakowitz]

saintz08 · 03-21-2004, 04:41 PM

i posted that about 4 or 5 days ago.......

Guess what you are saying is , I should take the time to actually read something you post . I will work on it ...

BrooksMustGo · 03-21-2004, 05:31 PM

Eli scored a 39 on the Wonderlic.
As did Teddy Lehman and Ben Troupe (Troupe being from Georgia will probably be our 1st round pick)

Future Hall of Famer Aaron Brooks scored a 17 on the wonderlic.

saintz08 · 03-21-2004, 07:09 PM

Eli scored a 39 on the Wonderlic.
Future Hall of Famer Aaron Brooks scored a 17 on the wonderlic.

Eli has a very good arm. He can make all the throws. Good movement in the pocket. Reads defenses well at the line of scrimmage. Good leadership skills. Has total command of the game plan. Understands that not every play needs to be a home run type of play. Shows great football maturity. Has great intensity. Makes players around him better. Has all the signs of a franchise QB.

Haslett should take the Wonderlic test , it might answer a few questions ......

saintfan · 03-21-2004, 07:10 PM

Future Hall of Famer Aaron Brooks scored a 17 on the wonderlic

Well, since you\'ve brought it up...how \'bout you go see what Dan Marino scored on that test, or some of the other widely considered \"great\" QB\'s and come back to this thread and post your results. I\'ve looked, so I already know what you\'ll find.

I\'m aware that Brooks didn\'t score well on the Wonderlic, however, I -- unlike some others who bash him regularly here -- am also aware of what some other \"Hall \'O Fame\" and \"Future Hall \'O Fame\" QB\'s have scored, and when put in that context, Brooks didn\'t do so poorly afterall. There\'s also a sample test on the web...perhaps you could take it and post your score here too. I\'ll be VERY anxious to see you results.

saintz08 · 03-21-2004, 09:12 PM

Well, since you\'ve brought it up...

Well now since you brought it up , certainly you have calibrated those figures for the highly evolved current offensive systems .

QB Aaron Brooks didn\'t have a bad season, but he also didn\'t have a great one, either, despite his 3,546 yards passing and 24 TDs. In the first five games of the season, Brooks started relatively slowly compared to what many expected him to do. After all, this was his third year leading a power West Coast offense and he had plenty of weapons to work with. Averaging just over 250 yards passing per game, 1.25 TDs and one interception per game during that stretch, the Saints looked like they lacked a killer instinct as they stumbled out to a 1-4 record.

Any deviation of a West Coast System has one thing in common .

The system is very cerebral.

Sure it would be fun too compare the Wonderlics to the Sid Gilliams and Johnny U\'s , but we would be talking ancient history .....

BeeoBee · 03-21-2004, 09:33 PM

does everyone have to put the blame on brooks?!?!ive been watching the saints for 21 years now and i gotta tell you..he hasent been playin for the saints the other 18 years we sucked..thats how it is in this city though..we want a ring and if we dont get it..whos responsible??kill him!!whoever it is that year..you guys sit here and look at numbers and wonderlick tests or whatever they are...man..who cares..did brooks cripple the whole defense last year with injuries with his smile on the sidelines?!?football is a team sport man...i happen to like what were doing with FA this year..our defense will be stronger and if brooks happens to have a bad game..by the way..the best QB\'s out there do have bad games..mabye the defense could hook him up a litte to pull it out in the end...it could be worse..remember steve walsh?danny werful?come on..lighten up

Boogro · 03-22-2004, 12:20 AM

[quote:171d6733a9]
Well now since you brought it up , certainly you have calibrated those figures for the highly evolved current offensive systems .

QB Aaron Brooks didn\'t have a bad season, but he also didn\'t have a great one, either, despite his 3,546 yards passing and 24 TDs. In the first five games of the season, Brooks started relatively slowly compared to what many expected him to do. After all, this was his third year leading a power West Coast offense and he had plenty of weapons to work with. Averaging just over 250 yards passing per game, 1.25 TDs and one interception per game during that stretch, the Saints looked like they lacked a killer instinct as they stumbled out to a 1-4 record.

Any deviation of a West Coast System has one thing in common .

[quote:171d6733a9]

What weapons are we talking about? Deuce? yeah, that\'s one. Horn? Sometimes. That\'s 2. If Deuce ain\'t tearing up the field and the D ain\'t playing, our chances of winning are slim. As far as weapons go during this little stretch, the wideouts played like crap, tight ends as well. Not to mention, we lost to 4 play-off teams. Seattle, Indianapolis, Tennessee, and Carolina. One of which, went to the Superbowl. Two teams had co-mvps and probably all 4 were a lot healthier than we were.

saintz08 · 03-22-2004, 01:24 AM

Seems we have a little confusion , the following 2 quotes are from an earlier posted write up from KFFL .

The biggest negative for the Saints last year was the fact that a team with this much individual talent simply failed to make the playoffs once again. Furthermore, they tossed away a great opportunity to succeed while the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (7-9) were having a down season. On the personnel side, QB Aaron Brooks may have improved in some statistics from his previous years but he still seemed to lack the ability to take over/lead the team when they needed him to most. When you have a RB like McAllister going for over 2,000 total yards, the quarterback position receives no pass when it has a supporting running game to help him out. WR Donte Stallworth regressed in his second year and battled through injuries most of the way. Injury problems kicked in on defense throughout the year, wi! th probably the most worrisome being that to CB Dale Carter (knee). It was the second year in a row Carter failed to live up to high expectations and a huge salary. Turnovers were also an issue for the Saints, as they managed just 14 interceptions after massive changes in the secondary with the additions of CB Ashley Ambrose and S Tebucky Jones.

QB Aaron Brooks didn\'t have a bad season, but he also didn\'t have a great one, either, despite his 3,546 yards passing and 24 TDs. In the first five games of the season, Brooks started relatively slowly compared to what many expected him to do. After all, this was his third year leading a power West Coast offense and he had plenty of weapons to work with. Averaging just over 250 yards passing per game, 1.25 TDs and one interception per game during that stretch, the Saints looked like they lacked a killer instinct as they stumbled out to a 1-4 record.

The actual purpose of reviving the earlier article points is too point out to Saintsfan , that if you are going to try to compare quarterbacks and their test scores it should be relative to the system they are in . Otherwise it would be similar to comparing performance evaluations of a Mustang and a Ferrarri ......

03-20-2004, 11:34 PM	#1
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Mannings are football's first family Let's do it," says Peyton Manning to his brother Eli. Eli nods. They approach each other grimly. "OK," says Peyton. "Turn around." Eli obeys. They stand back to back. "So who's taller?" Peyton asks. Eli stands on his toes. "Now, don't you do that," says Peyton. Eli stops. They settle down. It's 6-5 Peyton by half an inch. No question. "See, I knew I still have you," says the older brother, triumph in his voice. Some things in the pecking order of brothers never change, even if you are Peyton Manning, maybe the best player in the NFL, and Eli Manning, who should be the No. 1 choice in April's draft. Eli may be the better basketball player and may be able to fling a Nerf Vortex football 15 yards farther. ("I destroyed him," says Eli proudly). But he's still younger and smaller. Peyton Manning has given younger brother Eli a particularly tough act to follow. Associated Press Eli also is the last of the fabulous Manning boys, the final star in the most remarkable family in the history of pro football. We've never seen anything like this: father Archie, second pick in the 1971 draft by the Saints before embarking on a highly lauded and heroic 15-year career; middle son Peyton, the first choice in the 1998 draft and the reigning league co-MVP; and youngest son Eli, the savior of the Ole Miss football program and second-most popular player in school history behind ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â who else? ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â his dad. Every one a quarterback ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â all gifted, intelligent and, dare we say in this era of hard edges and bad-boy personas, nice. Their father could be the best-liked person to ever play the game, and his sons are a mixture of politeness and respect that masks a marked determination that characterizes seemingly everything a Manning undertakes. They get it in a way so many of their peers don't. http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2232642
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03-20-2004, 11:52 PM	#2
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Mannings are football's first family i posted that about 4 or 5 days ago....... [Edited on 3/21/2004 by pakowitz]

03-21-2004, 04:41 PM	#3
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Mannings are football's first family i posted that about 4 or 5 days ago....... Guess what you are saying is , I should take the time to actually read something you post . I will work on it ...
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03-21-2004, 05:31 PM	#4
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Mannings are football's first family Eli scored a 39 on the Wonderlic. As did Teddy Lehman and Ben Troupe (Troupe being from Georgia will probably be our 1st round pick) Future Hall of Famer Aaron Brooks scored a 17 on the wonderlic.

03-21-2004, 07:09 PM	#5
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Mannings are football's first family Eli scored a 39 on the Wonderlic. Future Hall of Famer Aaron Brooks scored a 17 on the wonderlic. Eli has a very good arm. He can make all the throws. Good movement in the pocket. Reads defenses well at the line of scrimmage. Good leadership skills. Has total command of the game plan. Understands that not every play needs to be a home run type of play. Shows great football maturity. Has great intensity. Makes players around him better. Has all the signs of a franchise QB. Haslett should take the Wonderlic test , it might answer a few questions ......
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03-21-2004, 07:10 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Mannings are football's first family Future Hall of Famer Aaron Brooks scored a 17 on the wonderlic Well, since you\'ve brought it up...how \'bout you go see what Dan Marino scored on that test, or some of the other widely considered \"great\" QB\'s and come back to this thread and post your results. I\'ve looked, so I already know what you\'ll find. I\'m aware that Brooks didn\'t score well on the Wonderlic, however, I -- unlike some others who bash him regularly here -- am also aware of what some other \"Hall \'O Fame\" and \"Future Hall \'O Fame\" QB\'s have scored, and when put in that context, Brooks didn\'t do so poorly afterall. There\'s also a sample test on the web...perhaps you could take it and post your score here too. I\'ll be VERY anxious to see you results.
	C'mon Man...

03-21-2004, 09:12 PM	#7
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Mannings are football's first family Well, since you\'ve brought it up... Well now since you brought it up , certainly you have calibrated those figures for the highly evolved current offensive systems . QB Aaron Brooks didn\'t have a bad season, but he also didn\'t have a great one, either, despite his 3,546 yards passing and 24 TDs. In the first five games of the season, Brooks started relatively slowly compared to what many expected him to do. After all, this was his third year leading a power West Coast offense and he had plenty of weapons to work with. Averaging just over 250 yards passing per game, 1.25 TDs and one interception per game during that stretch, the Saints looked like they lacked a killer instinct as they stumbled out to a 1-4 record. Any deviation of a West Coast System has one thing in common . The system is very cerebral. Sure it would be fun too compare the Wonderlics to the Sid Gilliams and Johnny U\'s , but we would be talking ancient history .....
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03-21-2004, 09:33 PM	#8
BeeoBee Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 67	Mannings are football's first family does everyone have to put the blame on brooks?!?!ive been watching the saints for 21 years now and i gotta tell you..he hasent been playin for the saints the other 18 years we sucked..thats how it is in this city though..we want a ring and if we dont get it..whos responsible??kill him!!whoever it is that year..you guys sit here and look at numbers and wonderlick tests or whatever they are...man..who cares..did brooks cripple the whole defense last year with injuries with his smile on the sidelines?!?football is a team sport man...i happen to like what were doing with FA this year..our defense will be stronger and if brooks happens to have a bad game..by the way..the best QB\'s out there do have bad games..mabye the defense could hook him up a litte to pull it out in the end...it could be worse..remember steve walsh?danny werful?come on..lighten up
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03-22-2004, 12:20 AM	#9
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Mannings are football's first family [quote:171d6733a9] Well now since you brought it up , certainly you have calibrated those figures for the highly evolved current offensive systems . QB Aaron Brooks didn\'t have a bad season, but he also didn\'t have a great one, either, despite his 3,546 yards passing and 24 TDs. In the first five games of the season, Brooks started relatively slowly compared to what many expected him to do. After all, this was his third year leading a power West Coast offense and he had plenty of weapons to work with. Averaging just over 250 yards passing per game, 1.25 TDs and one interception per game during that stretch, the Saints looked like they lacked a killer instinct as they stumbled out to a 1-4 record. Any deviation of a West Coast System has one thing in common . [quote:171d6733a9] What weapons are we talking about? Deuce? yeah, that\'s one. Horn? Sometimes. That\'s 2. If Deuce ain\'t tearing up the field and the D ain\'t playing, our chances of winning are slim. As far as weapons go during this little stretch, the wideouts played like crap, tight ends as well. Not to mention, we lost to 4 play-off teams. Seattle, Indianapolis, Tennessee, and Carolina. One of which, went to the Superbowl. Two teams had co-mvps and probably all 4 were a lot healthier than we were.

03-22-2004, 01:24 AM	#10
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Mannings are football's first family Seems we have a little confusion , the following 2 quotes are from an earlier posted write up from KFFL . The biggest negative for the Saints last year was the fact that a team with this much individual talent simply failed to make the playoffs once again. Furthermore, they tossed away a great opportunity to succeed while the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (7-9) were having a down season. On the personnel side, QB Aaron Brooks may have improved in some statistics from his previous years but he still seemed to lack the ability to take over/lead the team when they needed him to most. When you have a RB like McAllister going for over 2,000 total yards, the quarterback position receives no pass when it has a supporting running game to help him out. WR Donte Stallworth regressed in his second year and battled through injuries most of the way. Injury problems kicked in on defense throughout the year, wi! th probably the most worrisome being that to CB Dale Carter (knee). It was the second year in a row Carter failed to live up to high expectations and a huge salary. Turnovers were also an issue for the Saints, as they managed just 14 interceptions after massive changes in the secondary with the additions of CB Ashley Ambrose and S Tebucky Jones. QB Aaron Brooks didn\'t have a bad season, but he also didn\'t have a great one, either, despite his 3,546 yards passing and 24 TDs. In the first five games of the season, Brooks started relatively slowly compared to what many expected him to do. After all, this was his third year leading a power West Coast offense and he had plenty of weapons to work with. Averaging just over 250 yards passing per game, 1.25 TDs and one interception per game during that stretch, the Saints looked like they lacked a killer instinct as they stumbled out to a 1-4 record. The actual purpose of reviving the earlier article points is too point out to Saintsfan , that if you are going to try to compare quarterbacks and their test scores it should be relative to the system they are in . Otherwise it would be similar to comparing performance evaluations of a Mustang and a Ferrarri ......
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