Would like to have Williams

FinSaint · 01-26-2012, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

the only other people i would have wanted in that first round really were tamba hali and haloti ngata. other than that id take the bush pick. it set off a string of events that were more long term beneficial. ex: sproles

+1

saintsfan1976 · 01-26-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I think that's a hard one to sell.

I still think Bush was the correct pick in that draft - he was drafted for what he was able to do: create overall excitement and pull off circus-like feats on the field.

I wanted Reggie with the #2 pick. I'll agree that Payton needed Bush in his offense for what he was capable of. Too bad it only came in brief, sporadic times throughout 6 seasons.

Originally Posted by Danno

How would we have done that? He was already picked.

Trades happen. Had Houston really wanted Reggie they would have had him. And had Payton got what he "wanted" for that pick (who knows exactly what that was) we could have drafted Williams. Reggie was the sexy pick, Houston didn't want the risk, nor did any other team in range of the #2 pick so we got him.

But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term.

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

Easy there nips

FinSaint · 01-26-2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Trades happen. Had Houston really wanted Reggie they would have had him. And had Payton got what he "wanted" for that pick (who knows exactly what that was) we could have drafted Williams. Reggie was the sexy pick, Houston didn't want the risk, nor did any other team in range of the #2 pick so we got him.

But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term.

At least according to SP's book, Bush was who he most coveted in that draft, but I give you that it might be just a case of "talking after the fact" and the story being told following the SB win.

skymike · 01-27-2012, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

...But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term...
Easy there nips

yeah, but I think Reggie was essential to keeping the offense anddefense in New Orleans.

SaintsBro · 01-27-2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

At least according to SP's book, Bush was who he most coveted in that draft, but I give you that it might be just a case of "talking after the fact" and the story being told following the SB win.

I don't think Payton does that. I think in spite of his being squirrely about injuries ("he has a knee") I think Payton is actually very straight shooting and honest at the podium or in what he writes. I do think Reggie Bush was very coveted in that draft, and if you look at it as a either/or choice between offense or defense (Bush vs. Williams) Payton was obviously going to pick the offensive weapon. Especially starting from square one like he was.

alexonfyre · 01-27-2012, 10:29 AM

Our offense under SP is, and always has been, about creating match up problems, which Drew diagnoses at the line and directs the play accordingly. Until Sproles, Bush almost gauranteed a mismatch somewhere on the field, if not on him, then on whoever the fast guy they have on him should have been guarding. I'm sorry if he didn't run for 1500 yards a season and score 20 TDs, but he did just about everything we drafted him for except for running between tackles and playing 16 games.

biloxi-indian · 02-16-2012, 05:57 PM

Free agent OLB/DE Mario Williams insists becoming the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history is "really not that big of a deal" to him.
"I'm not worried about that," Williams said. "I was the first pick, and I've already had everything I really wanted, so my biggest thing is to be in a good position, a good scheme, a good system." Williams' hope is that the Texans will make him an offer rich enough to stay in Houston. "I love it here. The team is right where it needs to be," said Williams. "The pieces fit, but it's part of business. Whatever happens, happens." Williams says he's been 100 percent recovered from his torn pectoral for two weeks.

Top-dollar deal not Mario Williams' priority - Rotoworld.com

FinSaint · 02-16-2012, 06:04 PM

It might be that he also wants to remain in a 3-4 scheme.

Danno · 02-16-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

It might be that he also wants to remain in a 3-4 scheme.

I thought he excelled as a 4-3 DE and didn't care too much for the 3-4 OLB switch.

All of his pro-bowl and all-pro selections were as a 4-3 DE.

gandhi1007 · 02-16-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I thought he excelled as a 4-3 DE and didn't care too much for the 3-4 OLB switch.

All of his pro-bowl and all-pro selections were as a 4-3 DE.

I agree. Mario played his best in a 4-3.

01-26-2012, 06:15 PM	#41
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Speedy Ron the only other people i would have wanted in that first round really were tamba hali and haloti ngata. other than that id take the bush pick. it set off a string of events that were more long term beneficial. ex: sproles +1

01-26-2012, 08:25 PM	#42
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by FinSaint I think that's a hard one to sell. I still think Bush was the correct pick in that draft - he was drafted for what he was able to do: create overall excitement and pull off circus-like feats on the field. I wanted Reggie with the #2 pick. I'll agree that Payton needed Bush in his offense for what he was capable of. Too bad it only came in brief, sporadic times throughout 6 seasons. Originally Posted by Danno How would we have done that? He was already picked. Trades happen. Had Houston really wanted Reggie they would have had him. And had Payton got what he "wanted" for that pick (who knows exactly what that was) we could have drafted Williams. Reggie was the sexy pick, Houston didn't want the risk, nor did any other team in range of the #2 pick so we got him. But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term. Originally Posted by Speedy Ron Easy there nips

01-26-2012, 09:17 PM	#43
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Trades happen. Had Houston really wanted Reggie they would have had him. And had Payton got what he "wanted" for that pick (who knows exactly what that was) we could have drafted Williams. Reggie was the sexy pick, Houston didn't want the risk, nor did any other team in range of the #2 pick so we got him. But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term. At least according to SP's book, Bush was who he most coveted in that draft, but I give you that it might be just a case of "talking after the fact" and the story being told following the SB win.

01-27-2012, 08:31 AM	#44
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 ...But let's skip all the "what if" scenarios.. I don't think Reggie was nearly as essential to the success of the offense as Williams could have been to the defense - long term... Easy there nips yeah, but I think Reggie was essential to keeping the offense anddefense in New Orleans. saintfan likes this.

01-27-2012, 09:54 AM	#45
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by FinSaint At least according to SP's book, Bush was who he most coveted in that draft, but I give you that it might be just a case of "talking after the fact" and the story being told following the SB win. I don't think Payton does that. I think in spite of his being squirrely about injuries ("he has a knee") I think Payton is actually very straight shooting and honest at the podium or in what he writes. I do think Reggie Bush was very coveted in that draft, and if you look at it as a either/or choice between offense or defense (Bush vs. Williams) Payton was obviously going to pick the offensive weapon. Especially starting from square one like he was. FinSaint likes this.

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01-27-2012, 10:29 AM	#46
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Our offense under SP is, and always has been, about creating match up problems, which Drew diagnoses at the line and directs the play accordingly. Until Sproles, Bush almost gauranteed a mismatch somewhere on the field, if not on him, then on whoever the fast guy they have on him should have been guarding. I'm sorry if he didn't run for 1500 yards a season and score 20 TDs, but he did just about everything we drafted him for except for running between tackles and playing 16 games. saintfan and skymike like this.

02-16-2012, 05:57 PM	#47
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Free agent OLB/DE Mario Williams insists becoming the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history is "really not that big of a deal" to him. "I'm not worried about that," Williams said. "I was the first pick, and I've already had everything I really wanted, so my biggest thing is to be in a good position, a good scheme, a good system." Williams' hope is that the Texans will make him an offer rich enough to stay in Houston. "I love it here. The team is right where it needs to be," said Williams. "The pieces fit, but it's part of business. Whatever happens, happens." Williams says he's been 100 percent recovered from his torn pectoral for two weeks. Top-dollar deal not Mario Williams' priority - Rotoworld.com
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02-16-2012, 06:04 PM	#48
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	It might be that he also wants to remain in a 3-4 scheme.

02-16-2012, 06:48 PM	#49
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by FinSaint It might be that he also wants to remain in a 3-4 scheme. I thought he excelled as a 4-3 DE and didn't care too much for the 3-4 OLB switch. All of his pro-bowl and all-pro selections were as a 4-3 DE.

02-16-2012, 06:59 PM	#50
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by Danno I thought he excelled as a 4-3 DE and didn't care too much for the 3-4 OLB switch. All of his pro-bowl and all-pro selections were as a 4-3 DE. I agree. Mario played his best in a 4-3.

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