Spags better than who?

Belair57 · 01-25-2012, 12:12 AM

the guy comes from a losing team, with a losing record, with a crap record in the worst division in football.....how is this guy a step up over Gregg Williams.

Please....educate me

Belair57 · 01-25-2012, 12:15 AM

and im not being a smart ars, I really am wanting to know why you guys think he is an upgrade..because I just dont see it.

AlaskaSaints · 01-25-2012, 12:31 AM

He's replacing the failed head coach from Buffalo!

DUH! LOL

Alaska

MatthewT · 01-25-2012, 02:23 AM

Good question, one of those we shall see. Apparently, the Gregg Williams regime ran its course in New Orleans. To me, getting Spags is just like a fresh number 1 draft pick, a new sense of opportunism. Like Williams, Spags has a great background for coaching defense. The hope is Spags can get the defense to improve, especially get more out of the d-line and linebackers. Williams had that go to guy in Darren Sharper, who made his high risk/high reward defense work. Sharper has not been a factor for Williams' second and third season. Spags needs to find that type of guy, no matter the position, who can change the outcome of a game. If he does, he will be labeled a genius.

It really boils down to the players and not the coaches. The Saints have a lot of talent on defense, most of it has not been uncovered yet. Let's hope Spags can get it out of them. If he does, the Saints are in great shape!

dizzle88 · 01-25-2012, 05:16 AM

It's a step up because when they labelled GW a defensive guru, that's only because it took the teams 1 year to figure out what he was going to do, after they figured it out he looked exactly like Gary Gibbs, slow and let he opponents get what they want all day kinda defense.
Spags is a smart guy and occasionally he will send more than 4 blitzes, but at the same time he knows when it's Time to drop in coverage. He also has a great track record of working with the D line;

Chris long looked lost in his first season with the rams, when spags shows up he "coincidentally" gets double digit sacks. I watched the rams defense highlights and spags relied on the front 4 to do a lot, we may need a bit of an overhaul personell wise (please get Mario Williams and cut will smith) but spags will make this defense better

CharityMike · 01-25-2012, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

It's a step up because when they labelled GW a defensive guru, that's only because it took the teams 1 year to figure out what he was going to do, after they figured it out he looked exactly like Gary Gibbs, slow and let he opponents get what they want all day kinda defense.
Spags is a smart guy and occasionally he will send more than 4 blitzes, but at the same time he knows when it's Time to drop in coverage. He also has a great track record of working with the D line;

Chris long looked lost in his first season with the rams, when spags shows up he "coincidentally" gets double digit sacks. I watched the rams defense highlights and spags relied on the front 4 to do a lot, we may need a bit of an overhaul personell wise (please get Mario Williams and cut will smith) but spags will make this defense better

One thing that worries me is the Rams had one of the Worst run D. I am hoping it was the personnel and not the scheme.

Danno · 01-25-2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Belair57

the guy comes from a losing team, with a losing record, with a crap record in the worst division in football.....how is this guy a step up over Gregg Williams.

Please....educate me

We aren't hiring him to be the head coach?

Marlboro Man · 01-25-2012, 08:00 AM

We aren't going to have a lot of money to sign players with this year, and we haven't been able to generate a pass rush with the players we have on the D-Line for 6 years now. I'd like someone to explain to me, how, all of a sudden, coach Spagnola is going to take these same players and make them become all pro linemen and get pressure with just the front 4. Our scouting dept. is gonna have to do the best job they've ever done, and they've done an amazing job the last 6 years, of finding up and coming players in FA that we can develope as well as what Spags can find in the draft. If they can come up with 2 DT's and 2 OLB's and at least 1 DE, we could have a pretty decent defense next year, but the reality is, that's a LOT of players to come up with in only 1 year.

Having said that, let's say we DO win the Super Bowl next year. How long do you think Spags stays? I'd say we had better be looking for his replacement today as well. Additionally, what do you think the effect on the players would be if we're changing DC's every year to every 3 years?

SaintsBro · 01-25-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

I'd like someone to explain to me, how, all of a sudden, coach Spagnola is going to take these same players and make them become all pro linemen and get pressure with just the front 4.

Having said that, let's say we DO win the Super Bowl next year. How long do you think Spags stays? I'd say we had better be looking for his replacement today as well. Additionally, what do you think the effect on the players would be if we're changing DC's every year to every 3 years?

I think the optimistic answer to your first question, lies in this...I think it's sort of a three year cycle type deal... Gibbs came with Payton in 2006....result: NFC Championship appearance in the first year. Williams came in 2009...result: Super Bowl win in his first year, then two years of defensive regression, sort of eerily similar to what happened with Gibbs. There's no question that with the exception of Sharper and maybe one or two guys I'm forgetting about right now, Williams came in and had great success with the same basic people, that Gibbs was faltering with in 2008. They looked like a totally different defense out there! But both Gibbs and Williams ended up going OUT with kind of the same storyline or rap, that Drew and the O were AMAZING but the D was giving up big plays and losing games at end.

That's why I'm optimistic and hopeful it will be an instant improvement with Spags -- it's happened that way twice already for the Saints under Sean Payton. Yeah they need a few upgrades, but I'm optimistic the difference will be night and day. Partially because for the first half of the year, teams will have no film to study and NO IDEA what to expect defensively when they line up and face us. Just like 2006 and 2009!

I don't worry about how long Spags will stay here, the guy hasn't even called a single defensive snap yet for the Saints. Worry about that later, after success.

Third, I've said this before in other threads, the effect on the players will be GOOD rather than bad -- that they will want to bust their rumps to impress the new DC, to avoid being cut, or traded to some losing team in Siberia. They will be inspired that the new DC can fix the problems from last year, and put them in positions to win games. I think that is precisely what happened to some degree in 2006 and 2009. That's why I'm optimistic.

Boutte · 01-26-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

We aren't going to have a lot of money to sign players with this year, and we haven't been able to generate a pass rush with the players we have on the D-Line for 6 years now. I'd like someone to explain to me, how, all of a sudden, coach Spagnola is going to take these same players and make them become all pro linemen and get pressure with just the front 4. Our scouting dept. is gonna have to do the best job they've ever done, and they've done an amazing job the last 6 years, of finding up and coming players in FA that we can develope as well as what Spags can find in the draft. If they can come up with 2 DT's and 2 OLB's and at least 1 DE, we could have a pretty decent defense next year, but the reality is, that's a LOT of players to come up with in only 1 year.

Having said that, let's say we DO win the Super Bowl next year. How long do you think Spags stays? I'd say we had better be looking for his replacement today as well. Additionally, what do you think the effect on the players would be if we're changing DC's every year to every 3 years?

There's no telling if he will be able to get these players to be any better. The hope is that he won't set them up to fail like Williams did. Even if our personnel is as bad as you seem think (and maybe they are) Williams was definitely not doing anything to help disguise the lack of talent. If Jenkins sucks as bad as many people think why are you going to ask him to cover the fastest TE in the league one on one? A good DC doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. Repeatedly. In the same game.

At least we're trying to improve and Spagnuolo seemed to be on everyone's A list. Did you have someone you thought would be better?

01-25-2012, 12:12 AM	#1
Belair57 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 848	Spags better than who? the guy comes from a losing team, with a losing record, with a crap record in the worst division in football.....how is this guy a step up over Gregg Williams. Please....educate me
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01-25-2012, 12:15 AM	#2
Belair57 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 848	and im not being a smart ars, I really am wanting to know why you guys think he is an upgrade..because I just dont see it.
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01-25-2012, 12:31 AM	#3
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	He's replacing the failed head coach from Buffalo! DUH! LOL Alaska Crusader, mikesaintfan and Belair57 like this.

01-25-2012, 05:16 AM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	It's a step up because when they labelled GW a defensive guru, that's only because it took the teams 1 year to figure out what he was going to do, after they figured it out he looked exactly like Gary Gibbs, slow and let he opponents get what they want all day kinda defense. Spags is a smart guy and occasionally he will send more than 4 blitzes, but at the same time he knows when it's Time to drop in coverage. He also has a great track record of working with the D line; Chris long looked lost in his first season with the rams, when spags shows up he "coincidentally" gets double digit sacks. I watched the rams defense highlights and spags relied on the front 4 to do a lot, we may need a bit of an overhaul personell wise (please get Mario Williams and cut will smith) but spags will make this defense better Belair57 likes this.
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01-25-2012, 06:20 AM	#6
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by dizzle88 It's a step up because when they labelled GW a defensive guru, that's only because it took the teams 1 year to figure out what he was going to do, after they figured it out he looked exactly like Gary Gibbs, slow and let he opponents get what they want all day kinda defense. Spags is a smart guy and occasionally he will send more than 4 blitzes, but at the same time he knows when it's Time to drop in coverage. He also has a great track record of working with the D line; Chris long looked lost in his first season with the rams, when spags shows up he "coincidentally" gets double digit sacks. I watched the rams defense highlights and spags relied on the front 4 to do a lot, we may need a bit of an overhaul personell wise (please get Mario Williams and cut will smith) but spags will make this defense better One thing that worries me is the Rams had one of the Worst run D. I am hoping it was the personnel and not the scheme.

01-25-2012, 02:23 AM	#4
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Good question, one of those we shall see. Apparently, the Gregg Williams regime ran its course in New Orleans. To me, getting Spags is just like a fresh number 1 draft pick, a new sense of opportunism. Like Williams, Spags has a great background for coaching defense. The hope is Spags can get the defense to improve, especially get more out of the d-line and linebackers. Williams had that go to guy in Darren Sharper, who made his high risk/high reward defense work. Sharper has not been a factor for Williams' second and third season. Spags needs to find that type of guy, no matter the position, who can change the outcome of a game. If he does, he will be labeled a genius. It really boils down to the players and not the coaches. The Saints have a lot of talent on defense, most of it has not been uncovered yet. Let's hope Spags can get it out of them. If he does, the Saints are in great shape!

01-25-2012, 07:55 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Originally Posted by Belair57 the guy comes from a losing team, with a losing record, with a crap record in the worst division in football.....how is this guy a step up over Gregg Williams. Please....educate me We aren't hiring him to be the head coach? spkb25 and nicebush25 like this.

01-25-2012, 08:00 AM	#8
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	We aren't going to have a lot of money to sign players with this year, and we haven't been able to generate a pass rush with the players we have on the D-Line for 6 years now. I'd like someone to explain to me, how, all of a sudden, coach Spagnola is going to take these same players and make them become all pro linemen and get pressure with just the front 4. Our scouting dept. is gonna have to do the best job they've ever done, and they've done an amazing job the last 6 years, of finding up and coming players in FA that we can develope as well as what Spags can find in the draft. If they can come up with 2 DT's and 2 OLB's and at least 1 DE, we could have a pretty decent defense next year, but the reality is, that's a LOT of players to come up with in only 1 year. Having said that, let's say we DO win the Super Bowl next year. How long do you think Spags stays? I'd say we had better be looking for his replacement today as well. Additionally, what do you think the effect on the players would be if we're changing DC's every year to every 3 years?

01-25-2012, 09:35 AM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man I'd like someone to explain to me, how, all of a sudden, coach Spagnola is going to take these same players and make them become all pro linemen and get pressure with just the front 4. Having said that, let's say we DO win the Super Bowl next year. How long do you think Spags stays? I'd say we had better be looking for his replacement today as well. Additionally, what do you think the effect on the players would be if we're changing DC's every year to every 3 years? I think the optimistic answer to your first question, lies in this...I think it's sort of a three year cycle type deal... Gibbs came with Payton in 2006....result: NFC Championship appearance in the first year. Williams came in 2009...result: Super Bowl win in his first year, then two years of defensive regression, sort of eerily similar to what happened with Gibbs. There's no question that with the exception of Sharper and maybe one or two guys I'm forgetting about right now, Williams came in and had great success with the same basic people, that Gibbs was faltering with in 2008. They looked like a totally different defense out there! But both Gibbs and Williams ended up going OUT with kind of the same storyline or rap, that Drew and the O were AMAZING but the D was giving up big plays and losing games at end. That's why I'm optimistic and hopeful it will be an instant improvement with Spags -- it's happened that way twice already for the Saints under Sean Payton. Yeah they need a few upgrades, but I'm optimistic the difference will be night and day. Partially because for the first half of the year, teams will have no film to study and NO IDEA what to expect defensively when they line up and face us. Just like 2006 and 2009! I don't worry about how long Spags will stay here, the guy hasn't even called a single defensive snap yet for the Saints. Worry about that later, after success. Third, I've said this before in other threads, the effect on the players will be GOOD rather than bad -- that they will want to bust their rumps to impress the new DC, to avoid being cut, or traded to some losing team in Siberia. They will be inspired that the new DC can fix the problems from last year, and put them in positions to win games. I think that is precisely what happened to some degree in 2006 and 2009. That's why I'm optimistic. jnormand, Belair57 and AlaskaSaints like this.

01-26-2012, 07:19 PM	#10
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man We aren't going to have a lot of money to sign players with this year, and we haven't been able to generate a pass rush with the players we have on the D-Line for 6 years now. I'd like someone to explain to me, how, all of a sudden, coach Spagnola is going to take these same players and make them become all pro linemen and get pressure with just the front 4. Our scouting dept. is gonna have to do the best job they've ever done, and they've done an amazing job the last 6 years, of finding up and coming players in FA that we can develope as well as what Spags can find in the draft. If they can come up with 2 DT's and 2 OLB's and at least 1 DE, we could have a pretty decent defense next year, but the reality is, that's a LOT of players to come up with in only 1 year. Having said that, let's say we DO win the Super Bowl next year. How long do you think Spags stays? I'd say we had better be looking for his replacement today as well. Additionally, what do you think the effect on the players would be if we're changing DC's every year to every 3 years? There's no telling if he will be able to get these players to be any better. The hope is that he won't set them up to fail like Williams did. Even if our personnel is as bad as you seem think (and maybe they are) Williams was definitely not doing anything to help disguise the lack of talent. If Jenkins sucks as bad as many people think why are you going to ask him to cover the fastest TE in the league one on one? A good DC doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. Repeatedly. In the same game. At least we're trying to improve and Spagnuolo seemed to be on everyone's A list. Did you have someone you thought would be better? Belair57 likes this.

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