New Orleans Saints: What Who Dat Fans Can Expect from Junior Galette in 2012

FinSaint · 02-12-2012, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

1st-What it has to do with is that a player's size doesn't mean squat!

2nd-Freeney is a 3 time ALL PRO & 7 time Pro Bowler. Considering he's only been in the league 10 years, I'd say that's pretty darn good.

Last- Prototypes really don't impress me. Let me just start off with a small list of guys who don't fit the "prototypes" of their positions, but seem to do quite well. I'll stick with current players.

#1 - Drew Brees - at 5'11", he's considered short. Future HOF
#2 - Dwight Freeney - at 6'1", he's considered short. See above details
#3 - Steve Smith - 5'9" Severely undersized under the status quo
#4 - Darren Sproles - 5'6" (& that's generous)
#5 - London Fletcher - 5'10" Another Future HOF

Those are just a few "undersized" players that don't fit the "prototype". I could go on about guys like Sam Mills, Emmitt Smith, LaDainian Tomlinson, Darrell Green, etc... All were guys considered under-sized per their positions.

That, my friend, is the point. You cannot judge what a player brings to the table by "prototypes". Gallette can play, has a motor, & has heart. Something that our prototypical $68 million starter hasn't had since pay day.

I know what your point was about the size, I was only saying that an exception doesn't make a rule. Naturally, we can find many such examples like you already stated of players who didn't fit the "prototype mold," but were still very successful. But, I would counter you by stating that those are just anomalies when compared to the number of players that had great success and fit right into that "prototypical stereotype."

I would also continue by saying that RB sizes are not comparable in the same way as small demeanor is often more of a advantage to a RB than a disadvantage, because they get "hidden" behind big O-Linemen, which makes it hard for the defenders to spot them before it's too late. Big RBs are more often susceptible to injuries because they tend to run more straight up, and get hit/tackled on their lower body because of it causing f.e. a lot of knee injuries.

I did not say that Freeney wasn't a good (or even great) DE, only that he isn't maybe as dominant of a DE as is often the perception about him, and that his run defense isn't probably his strongest area, which may or may not be because of his size. I was only trying to make comparables to what may be one of the hindrances to JG becoming a dominant DE for the Saints, and Freeney wasn't initially brought up by me as an example.

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

What it has to do with is that a player's size doesn't mean squat!

And that statement, my friend, is just completely untrue. Of course a player's size means something and often quite a bit depending on the particular position we are considering. To say that it doesn't mean anything is just ridiculous. How many 5-11 DTs are there in the NFL?

And just to restate the fact that I'm not in any shape or form saying that Gallette can never be an all-around complete DE and a perennial starter for the Saints because of his size. I was only saying that his size is something that he will have to find ways to work around in order to reach the level of someone like Freeney.

BTW, if you were referring to Will Smith with "our prototypical $68 million starter" I would add that Smith is also on the smaller side if compared to the prototype I presented earlier.

gandhi1007 · 02-12-2012, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

And that statement, my friend, is just completely untrue. Of course a player's size means something and often quite a bit depending on the particular position we are considering. To say that it doesn't mean anything is just ridiculous. How many 5-11 DTs are there in the NFL?

Of course being under-sized has it's limits at certain positions. You surely wouldn't start a 5'10" 240 lbs. DT. That's a given. There are many, though, that are considered under-sized at their positions that excell. There are also many "prototypes" that are busts. As Saints fans, we have seen that right here at home time & time again. As mentioned previously, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. Gallette has proven every time he's seen the field that he can play every bit as well (better IMO) than our $68 million starter at DE. Under-sized or not, the guy deserves a shot.

FinSaint · 02-12-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Of course being under-sized has it's limits at certain positions. You surely wouldn't start a 5'10" 240 lbs. DT. That's a given. There are many, though, that are considered under-sized at their positions that excell. There are also many "prototypes" that are busts. As Saints fans, we have seen that right here at home time & time again. As mentioned previously, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. Gallette has proven every time he's seen the field that he can play every bit as well (better IMO) than our $68 million starter at DE. Under-sized or not, the guy deserves a shot.

I was only answering back to your claim that "a player's size doesn't mean squat," but maybe I'm just poor at reading sub-text.

And once again, I never intended to start a debate on whether or not Gallette was a good DE or if he could develop into a good to great DE that was based simply on his size. I was only mentioning it being an obstacle he had to overcome and something that might be causing some of the problems he had defending against the run, which the original article mentioned.

I was only trying to play the devil's advocate in this thread, because there's so much fan love directed at Gallette that it seems that we don't always evaluate him with objectivity. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this topic.

02-12-2012, 06:56 AM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 1st-What it has to do with is that a player's size doesn't mean squat! 2nd-Freeney is a 3 time ALL PRO & 7 time Pro Bowler. Considering he's only been in the league 10 years, I'd say that's pretty darn good. Last- Prototypes really don't impress me. Let me just start off with a small list of guys who don't fit the "prototypes" of their positions, but seem to do quite well. I'll stick with current players. #1 - Drew Brees - at 5'11", he's considered short. Future HOF #2 - Dwight Freeney - at 6'1", he's considered short. See above details #3 - Steve Smith - 5'9" Severely undersized under the status quo #4 - Darren Sproles - 5'6" (& that's generous) #5 - London Fletcher - 5'10" Another Future HOF Those are just a few "undersized" players that don't fit the "prototype". I could go on about guys like Sam Mills, Emmitt Smith, LaDainian Tomlinson, Darrell Green, etc... All were guys considered under-sized per their positions. That, my friend, is the point. You cannot judge what a player brings to the table by "prototypes". Gallette can play, has a motor, & has heart. Something that our prototypical $68 million starter hasn't had since pay day. I know what your point was about the size, I was only saying that an exception doesn't make a rule. Naturally, we can find many such examples like you already stated of players who didn't fit the "prototype mold," but were still very successful. But, I would counter you by stating that those are just anomalies when compared to the number of players that had great success and fit right into that "prototypical stereotype." I would also continue by saying that RB sizes are not comparable in the same way as small demeanor is often more of a advantage to a RB than a disadvantage, because they get "hidden" behind big O-Linemen, which makes it hard for the defenders to spot them before it's too late. Big RBs are more often susceptible to injuries because they tend to run more straight up, and get hit/tackled on their lower body because of it causing f.e. a lot of knee injuries. I did not say that Freeney wasn't a good (or even great) DE, only that he isn't maybe as dominant of a DE as is often the perception about him, and that his run defense isn't probably his strongest area, which may or may not be because of his size. I was only trying to make comparables to what may be one of the hindrances to JG becoming a dominant DE for the Saints, and Freeney wasn't initially brought up by me as an example. Originally Posted by gandhi1007 What it has to do with is that a player's size doesn't mean squat! And that statement, my friend, is just completely untrue. Of course a player's size means something and often quite a bit depending on the particular position we are considering. To say that it doesn't mean anything is just ridiculous. How many 5-11 DTs are there in the NFL? And just to restate the fact that I'm not in any shape or form saying that Gallette can never be an all-around complete DE and a perennial starter for the Saints because of his size. I was only saying that his size is something that he will have to find ways to work around in order to reach the level of someone like Freeney. BTW, if you were referring to Will Smith with "our prototypical $68 million starter" I would add that Smith is also on the smaller side if compared to the prototype I presented earlier.
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02-12-2012, 06:33 PM	#2
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by FinSaint And that statement, my friend, is just completely untrue. Of course a player's size means something and often quite a bit depending on the particular position we are considering. To say that it doesn't mean anything is just ridiculous. How many 5-11 DTs are there in the NFL? Of course being under-sized has it's limits at certain positions. You surely wouldn't start a 5'10" 240 lbs. DT. That's a given. There are many, though, that are considered under-sized at their positions that excell. There are also many "prototypes" that are busts. As Saints fans, we have seen that right here at home time & time again. As mentioned previously, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. Gallette has proven every time he's seen the field that he can play every bit as well (better IMO) than our $68 million starter at DE. Under-sized or not, the guy deserves a shot. halloween 65 likes this.
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02-12-2012, 07:54 PM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Of course being under-sized has it's limits at certain positions. You surely wouldn't start a 5'10" 240 lbs. DT. That's a given. There are many, though, that are considered under-sized at their positions that excell. There are also many "prototypes" that are busts. As Saints fans, we have seen that right here at home time & time again. As mentioned previously, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. Gallette has proven every time he's seen the field that he can play every bit as well (better IMO) than our $68 million starter at DE. Under-sized or not, the guy deserves a shot. I was only answering back to your claim that "a player's size doesn't mean squat," but maybe I'm just poor at reading sub-text. And once again, I never intended to start a debate on whether or not Gallette was a good DE or if he could develop into a good to great DE that was based simply on his size. I was only mentioning it being an obstacle he had to overcome and something that might be causing some of the problems he had defending against the run, which the original article mentioned. I was only trying to play the devil's advocate in this thread, because there's so much fan love directed at Gallette that it seems that we don't always evaluate him with objectivity. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this topic. gandhi1007 likes this.
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