Mark Ingram musing

TheDeuce · 02-23-2012, 12:49 PM

I, like most of you I'm sure, was disappointed with Ingram's rookie season. You expect first round picks to come in and perform and Ingram flat out did not. I was really high on him before the season, but I've altered my perception of him after watching him this season. But I must ask the question: how much did a shortened camp/preseason process contribute to his inability to stay healthy and get ready for the season? It shouldn't be an excuse, but some guys need that prep time to get their bodies right. I'm hoping he comes back strong in 2012, but I am far less confident in his ability now.

UK_WhoDat · 02-23-2012, 01:02 PM

Well a short camp/ preseason is not a reason. So yeah it could be an excuse. You see other worked out to get fit.

You should not lose confidence in any ability you thought he had, because ability is permanent. What is not permanent is attitude / commitment.

SapperSaint · 02-23-2012, 01:05 PM

I think all doubts will be smashed next season.

mighty12 · 02-23-2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I think all doubts will be smashed next season.

Smashed or dashed

Danno · 02-23-2012, 01:54 PM

I wasn't disappointed with his performance at all. He played well.

It was unfortunate that a guy who only missed two games his entire college career got turf toe, but it happens. I don't think thats a conditioning injury.

By the end of 2012 he'll be considered our best RB.

dizzle88 · 02-23-2012, 02:19 PM

I know what people expect out of first round picks, all this yardage and all these massive runs. You can't forget that Ingram is a rookie and everybody takes their time to get acclimated.

In my Honest opinion, I thought Ingram played well right up until his toe injury, he was getting better as the weeks went in which is why its a shame the injury stopped him.

He just needs to put some more work in on reading his blocks better and like danno said, he'll be named our best RB.

The Dude · 02-23-2012, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wasn't disappointed with his performance at all. He played well.

It was unfortunate that a guy who only missed two games his entire college career got turf toe, but it happens. I don't think thats a conditioning injury.

By the end of 2012 he'll be considered our best RB.

Agreed. He did everything he was asked to do this year.

TheDeuce · 02-24-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Agreed. He did everything he was asked to do this year.

I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.

FinSaint · 02-24-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.

Again, he was mostly given the ball in short yardage situations, so it would be ludicrous to demand that a rookie would continuously break out on long runs when the blocking schemes of the O-line don't support that in the given situation.

Just look at Ingram's TD runs against SF and the Texans from this highlight video, and tell me that this kid doesn't have the talent to be an elite RB.

Mark Ingram Rookie Highlights - YouTube

FinSaint · 02-23-2012, 02:16 PM

I'm with Danno on this, I don't know why so many think that he had a bad rookie season. The role he was given in the RB rotation didn't really give him all the opportunities to really showcase his talent, so I think he performed well in the role/opportunities he was given.

For one I didn't know he was as good in catching the ball as he seemed to be based on the limited sample.

02-23-2012, 12:49 PM	#1
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Mark Ingram musing I, like most of you I'm sure, was disappointed with Ingram's rookie season. You expect first round picks to come in and perform and Ingram flat out did not. I was really high on him before the season, but I've altered my perception of him after watching him this season. But I must ask the question: how much did a shortened camp/preseason process contribute to his inability to stay healthy and get ready for the season? It shouldn't be an excuse, but some guys need that prep time to get their bodies right. I'm hoping he comes back strong in 2012, but I am far less confident in his ability now.
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SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	I think all doubts will be smashed next season. saintfan and Rugby Saint II like this.

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mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by SapperSaint I think all doubts will be smashed next season. Smashed or dashed

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	I wasn't disappointed with his performance at all. He played well. It was unfortunate that a guy who only missed two games his entire college career got turf toe, but it happens. I don't think thats a conditioning injury. By the end of 2012 he'll be considered our best RB. SapperSaint, RockyMountainSaint, B_Dub_Saint and 1 others like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	I know what people expect out of first round picks, all this yardage and all these massive runs. You can't forget that Ingram is a rookie and everybody takes their time to get acclimated. In my Honest opinion, I thought Ingram played well right up until his toe injury, he was getting better as the weeks went in which is why its a shame the injury stopped him. He just needs to put some more work in on reading his blocks better and like danno said, he'll be named our best RB. Rugby Saint II and FinSaint like this.

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Well a short camp/ preseason is not a reason. So yeah it could be an excuse. You see other worked out to get fit. You should not lose confidence in any ability you thought he had, because ability is permanent. What is not permanent is attitude / commitment.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Originally Posted by Danno I wasn't disappointed with his performance at all. He played well. It was unfortunate that a guy who only missed two games his entire college career got turf toe, but it happens. I don't think thats a conditioning injury. By the end of 2012 he'll be considered our best RB. Agreed. He did everything he was asked to do this year.
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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by The Dude Agreed. He did everything he was asked to do this year. I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.
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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	I'm with Danno on this, I don't know why so many think that he had a bad rookie season. The role he was given in the RB rotation didn't really give him all the opportunities to really showcase his talent, so I think he performed well in the role/opportunities he was given. For one I didn't know he was as good in catching the ball as he seemed to be based on the limited sample.

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