Mark Ingram musing

AlaskaSaints · 02-24-2012, 02:26 AM

God forbid he'd have been the only back to groove on...

But I'm with you, Matt. In a way. Because I'm hoping for more than the best.

Alaska

TheDeuce · 02-24-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Agreed. He did everything he was asked to do this year.

I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.

SapperSaint · 02-24-2012, 10:43 AM

Here are some Rookie stats:

I will leave AP out of this, because he's a freak.

MJD: 941 yards, 5.7 average, 13 TD's (More than AP)

McFadden: 499 yrds, 4.4 avg, 4 TD's

PT (Rookie): 252 yrds, 4.8 avg, 5 TD's

PT (2011): 562 yrds, 5.1 avg, 5 TD's

MI: 474 yrds, 3.9 avg, 5 TD's

Is what we expect from rookies too much? If we take what rookies do their first season, PT would be gone. I think stats can be misleading sometimes. Lets look at Darren Sproles' numbers...

DS (career): Rushing: 1,757 yrds (603 with Saints), 5.2 avg, 8 TD's

Recieving: 2,110 (710 with Saints), 9.1 avg, 18 TD's

Now those are not really impressive numbers. But who wants Darren off this team?

The Saints are not a rushing juggernaut team. We have 4 RB's that are great. That is a very good problem to have. None of our RB's are gonna have 1,000 yrd years. Our offense isn't set up to do that. I was very happy with Mark this year. Hate he had the toe injury. I really think he would have finished with 600 yrds this year. I understand your disappointment, but again, don't we expect too much from our rookies?

I would compare College guys going into the NFL; like expecting a person who has been driving a car for 20 years to getting in a NASCAR racecar and saying, "Win or else".

Danno · 02-24-2012, 10:49 AM

"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton

SapperSaint · 02-24-2012, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton

and Chuck Norris

Luda34 · 02-24-2012, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I have to disagree with you on that one. I think he had a good rookie season under difficult circumstances - I'd give him a B- for his overall performance.

I don't think Jordan was picked mainly because of his pass rush, but his ability to stop the run, and that is what he did very well. He'll be better with the pass rush as he gets more experience against NFL O-linemen, and hopefully with an improved pass rush from the big guys in the middle.

Most importantly, I don't recall any "brain-farts" from him during the season, which shows to me that he is intelligent and that bodes well for his future in the black & gold.

Of course, it could be that I had a different perception of his performances because I didn't honestly have high expectations for him going into the season.

Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment

st thomas · 02-24-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton

i'm glad u brought that up danno.payton believed, i were not disappointed at all with ingram give him 25 plus carries a game with this (passing offense)and see where this thread goes. its not fair to grade him when he was sharing lots of carries.

FinSaint · 02-24-2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.

Again, he was mostly given the ball in short yardage situations, so it would be ludicrous to demand that a rookie would continuously break out on long runs when the blocking schemes of the O-line don't support that in the given situation.

Just look at Ingram's TD runs against SF and the Texans from this highlight video, and tell me that this kid doesn't have the talent to be an elite RB.

Mark Ingram Rookie Highlights - YouTube

FinSaint · 02-24-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Luda34

Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment

Well then I have to say that the scouting department did an awful job, because everyone knew that Jordan's strength coming out of college was his run stopping ability.

If he hadn't been as good against the run as he was - I'd agree with your assessment, but I can't because he was.

...and he did have a sack!

Danno · 02-24-2012, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Luda34

Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment

He wasn't drafted to get sacks. He's a LDE.

02-24-2012, 10:05 AM	#22
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by The Dude Agreed. He did everything he was asked to do this year. I'm usually a sunshiner when it comes to the Saints, but this one was disappointing to me. When he was healthy, he averaged less than 4 yards per carry behind one of the best lines in football. The injuries were disappointing as well. Come on guys, are there really only two or three people on this board that are second-guessing this guy's ability to deliver first-round pick results on the field? I appreciate optimism, but Ingram just was not very good.
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02-24-2012, 10:43 AM	#23
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Here are some Rookie stats: I will leave AP out of this, because he's a freak. MJD: 941 yards, 5.7 average, 13 TD's (More than AP) McFadden: 499 yrds, 4.4 avg, 4 TD's PT (Rookie): 252 yrds, 4.8 avg, 5 TD's PT (2011): 562 yrds, 5.1 avg, 5 TD's MI: 474 yrds, 3.9 avg, 5 TD's Is what we expect from rookies too much? If we take what rookies do their first season, PT would be gone. I think stats can be misleading sometimes. Lets look at Darren Sproles' numbers... DS (career): Rushing: 1,757 yrds (603 with Saints), 5.2 avg, 8 TD's Recieving: 2,110 (710 with Saints), 9.1 avg, 18 TD's Now those are not really impressive numbers. But who wants Darren off this team? The Saints are not a rushing juggernaut team. We have 4 RB's that are great. That is a very good problem to have. None of our RB's are gonna have 1,000 yrd years. Our offense isn't set up to do that. I was very happy with Mark this year. Hate he had the toe injury. I really think he would have finished with 600 yrds this year. I understand your disappointment, but again, don't we expect too much from our rookies? I would compare College guys going into the NFL; like expecting a person who has been driving a car for 20 years to getting in a NASCAR racecar and saying, "Win or else".
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02-24-2012, 10:49 AM	#24
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	"The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton SapperSaint and st thomas like this.

02-24-2012, 10:56 AM	#25
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Originally Posted by Danno "The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton and Chuck Norris

02-24-2012, 11:31 AM	#26
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Originally Posted by FinSaint I have to disagree with you on that one. I think he had a good rookie season under difficult circumstances - I'd give him a B- for his overall performance. I don't think Jordan was picked mainly because of his pass rush, but his ability to stop the run, and that is what he did very well. He'll be better with the pass rush as he gets more experience against NFL O-linemen, and hopefully with an improved pass rush from the big guys in the middle. Most importantly, I don't recall any "brain-farts" from him during the season, which shows to me that he is intelligent and that bodes well for his future in the black & gold. Of course, it could be that I had a different perception of his performances because I didn't honestly have high expectations for him going into the season. Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment

02-24-2012, 02:26 AM	#21
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	God forbid he'd have been the only back to groove on... But I'm with you, Matt. In a way. Because I'm hoping for more than the best. Alaska

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02-24-2012, 12:13 PM	#27
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Originally Posted by Danno "The only thing keeping Mark Ingram from being Rookie of the Year is me". -Sean Payton i'm glad u brought that up danno.payton believed, i were not disappointed at all with ingram give him 25 plus carries a game with this (passing offense)and see where this thread goes. its not fair to grade him when he was sharing lots of carries. SapperSaint likes this.

02-24-2012, 01:04 PM	#29
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Luda34 Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment Well then I have to say that the scouting department did an awful job, because everyone knew that Jordan's strength coming out of college was his run stopping ability. If he hadn't been as good against the run as he was - I'd agree with your assessment, but I can't because he was. ...and he did have a sack!

02-24-2012, 02:36 PM	#30
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Originally Posted by Luda34 Fin come on the was a first round pick and he had no sacks thats what he was drafted for. He was a disappointment He wasn't drafted to get sacks. He's a LDE. FinSaint likes this.

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