Will Smith & Jonathan Vilma could potentially be released

iceshack149 · 02-29-2012, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

I think we're going to see some surprises this offseason and a lot more players replaced than what we're thinking right now. As for myself, I could see moving Jenkins to SS, Quddus to FS, trading Harper and drafting another S. I could also see us trading Will Smith as he is under contract as well as trading Vilma if either or both refuse to re-negotiate. I could also see Sed Ellis replaced as well as shanle, Cassillias and Dunbar. I think there's gonna be a lot of shake up to come.

The Saints only netted what appears to be a seventh round pick for Bush. I doubt Vilma and Smith have much value.

Why has Harper become the new Bush? I don't understand the Harper hate.

FinSaint · 02-29-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Why has Harper become the new Bush? I don't understand the Harper hate.

ScottF · 02-29-2012, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Why has Harper become the new Bush? I don't understand the Harper hate.

I was going to ask the same thing about Vilma

restructure? he's getting below average money now

FinSaint · 02-29-2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

I was going to ask the same thing about Vilma

restructure? he's getting below average money now

I don't know about that... his base salary is above f.e. these guys:

James Harrison
Ray Lewis
DeMarcus Ware

...and others.

He is actually in the upper tier of salaries when it comes to starting MLBs around the league.

halloween 65 · 02-29-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I don't know about that... his base salary is above f.e. these guys:

James Harrison
Ray Lewis
DeMarcus Ware

...and others.

He is actually in the upper tier of salaries when it comes to starting MLBs around the league.

Speaking of stats in 2010 is his production near any of these guys. And 2011 also.

Danno · 02-29-2012, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Speaking of stats in 2010 is his production near any of these guys. And 2011 also.

No, it isn't. He's been playing hurt so that helps explain it, but on the other hand at his age and with his chronic knee problem will he ever return to 2009 form?

Good teams let players go about a year before its too late.

ScottF · 02-29-2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I don't know about that... his base salary is above f.e. these guys:

James Harrison
Ray Lewis
DeMarcus Ware

...and others.

He is actually in the upper tier of salaries when it comes to starting MLBs around the league.

True, but those deals are loaded front end so the base salary is lower. Harrison got 10 million signing bonus, Lewis averages 7.5m a year in this contract, and Ware restructured last year and got more upfront.

I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just saying that Vilma is not overpaid and would probably laugh if asked to restructure

FinSaint · 02-29-2012, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

True, but those deals are loaded front end so the base salary is lower. Harrison got 10 million signing bonus, Lewis averages 7.5m a year in this contract, and Ware restructured last year and got more upfront.

I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just saying that Vilma is not overpaid and would probably laugh if asked to restructure

You're right, and I don't think Vilma was overpaid when he was given this contract. In fact, he probably was very fairly valued by the $6.8M average annual salary, which is about what SF gave to Brooks yesterday.

And the production comparisons between those examples I gave and Vilma wouldn't be that useful since only Lewis plays the same position as Vilma.

I think Urlacher has the highest average salary of all the LBs with $11.3M/year, Vilma fits just inside the top 100 (of all players in the NFL) with his $6.8M/year. The closest comparable guy is A.J. Hawk with $6.75M/year, which shows that the Saints would definitely not be overpaying him if he could play on the level he did before his injuries.

Vilma would probably restructure if he felt like he couldn't be a starter anymore because of his knees, but then again, I would think he would just decide to retire if that was the case.

02-29-2012, 03:31 PM	#1
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man I think we're going to see some surprises this offseason and a lot more players replaced than what we're thinking right now. As for myself, I could see moving Jenkins to SS, Quddus to FS, trading Harper and drafting another S. I could also see us trading Will Smith as he is under contract as well as trading Vilma if either or both refuse to re-negotiate. I could also see Sed Ellis replaced as well as shanle, Cassillias and Dunbar. I think there's gonna be a lot of shake up to come. The Saints only netted what appears to be a seventh round pick for Bush. I doubt Vilma and Smith have much value. Why has Harper become the new Bush? I don't understand the Harper hate. FinSaint likes this.

02-29-2012, 03:43 PM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by iceshack149 Why has Harper become the new Bush? I don't understand the Harper hate.

02-29-2012, 04:23 PM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by iceshack149 Why has Harper become the new Bush? I don't understand the Harper hate. I was going to ask the same thing about Vilma restructure? he's getting below average money now

02-29-2012, 04:51 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by ScottF I was going to ask the same thing about Vilma restructure? he's getting below average money now I don't know about that... his base salary is above f.e. these guys: James Harrison Ray Lewis DeMarcus Ware ...and others. He is actually in the upper tier of salaries when it comes to starting MLBs around the league.

02-29-2012, 05:06 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by FinSaint I don't know about that... his base salary is above f.e. these guys: James Harrison Ray Lewis DeMarcus Ware ...and others. He is actually in the upper tier of salaries when it comes to starting MLBs around the league. Speaking of stats in 2010 is his production near any of these guys. And 2011 also.

02-29-2012, 05:52 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Originally Posted by halloween 65 Speaking of stats in 2010 is his production near any of these guys. And 2011 also. No, it isn't. He's been playing hurt so that helps explain it, but on the other hand at his age and with his chronic knee problem will he ever return to 2009 form? Good teams let players go about a year before its too late.

02-29-2012, 05:27 PM	#7
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by FinSaint I don't know about that... his base salary is above f.e. these guys: James Harrison Ray Lewis DeMarcus Ware ...and others. He is actually in the upper tier of salaries when it comes to starting MLBs around the league. True, but those deals are loaded front end so the base salary is lower. Harrison got 10 million signing bonus, Lewis averages 7.5m a year in this contract, and Ware restructured last year and got more upfront. I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just saying that Vilma is not overpaid and would probably laugh if asked to restructure

02-29-2012, 06:41 PM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by ScottF True, but those deals are loaded front end so the base salary is lower. Harrison got 10 million signing bonus, Lewis averages 7.5m a year in this contract, and Ware restructured last year and got more upfront. I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just saying that Vilma is not overpaid and would probably laugh if asked to restructure You're right, and I don't think Vilma was overpaid when he was given this contract. In fact, he probably was very fairly valued by the $6.8M average annual salary, which is about what SF gave to Brooks yesterday. And the production comparisons between those examples I gave and Vilma wouldn't be that useful since only Lewis plays the same position as Vilma. I think Urlacher has the highest average salary of all the LBs with $11.3M/year, Vilma fits just inside the top 100 (of all players in the NFL) with his $6.8M/year. The closest comparable guy is A.J. Hawk with $6.75M/year, which shows that the Saints would definitely not be overpaying him if he could play on the level he did before his injuries. Vilma would probably restructure if he felt like he couldn't be a starter anymore because of his knees, but then again, I would think he would just decide to retire if that was the case.
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