Bountygate possibly taint Saints Super Bowl win
 

The NFL’s investigation regarding the use by the Saints of a bounty program began after a Super Bowl run that featured big hits on Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner and Vikings quarterback Brett Favre.

“Our investigation began in early 2010 when allegations were first made that Saints players had targeted opposing players, including Kurt Warner of the Cardinals and Brett Favre of the Vikings,” Commissioner Goodell said in the league’s release announcing the determination that the “bounty” rules had been violated. “Our security department interviewed numerous players and other individuals. At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven. We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season.”

That “significant and credible new information” possibly came from a former Saints player or coach with direct knowledge of the bounty program.

Could Fujita or Bush be the NFL's Deep Throat?


“Bountygate� possibly taints Saints’ Super Bowl win | ProFootballTalk

I want to know who is the RAT! That person needs to beat with pillow cases full of soap bars when they are sleeping.

You know Gregg Williams was one of the rats. Maybe even Bobby McCray... he's one of the main culprits of these "dirty hits" on Favre and if I remember correctly, it was kind of a surprise that he wasn't resigned after that season... He hasn't done anything since so he might be bitter. I'm just speculating and rambling though because this whole thing pisses me off so much.

Please. Everyone calm down.

Coaches make statements like this all the time.

Players indicate "bounties" have been leveed on other players every year.

Show me documentation of players being reimbursed for hits on other players. Ever.

This is Goodell doing his best to rid the league of mercenary players.

What is he going to do.... Ban the Saints from playing in the Superbowl???

I didn't think so...

I know it's natural to overreact to such a thing. Every team does this whole bounty thing... but in this case we have our former defensive coordinator admitting that it happened. It's not just accusations. Even though it's probably very common, we are the first to have a member of the organization at the time admit it and therefore I think we're going to have the book thrown at us.

Again... Show me where players were rewarded for executing on said bounties.

Otherwise, it's a motivating tactic made by the DC to get his players in the game.

i mean, My God - it's not like we had the defensive stats to back it up.. :whatever:

I'd target the QB everygame without a Bounty. Difference between a legal hard hit and illegal dirty hit. I'd pay a "bounty" for a legal hard hit everytime.

Thank you!! Atleast I know I am not crazy for thinking the same things. I want proof!! 50,000 pages seems a wee excessive.

This is a witch hunt in an otherwise boring offseason.

Why else do you think this is the first we've heard of it...?

The problem ISN'T whether players were paid or not; the problem is that the bounty 'fund' was in place to begin with.

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Nice and shiny... not tainted at all.

Thank you! I made that point in another thread. It doesn't matter whether players were successful or not in knocking players out of the game... all that matters is that the people in charge are admitting that it was in place.

I'm thinking charles grant is the rat. But even Warner said none of the hits on him were illegal.

I'm thinking Gregg Williams is one of the rats. Another is probably Bobby McCray... one of the offenders in question for his questionable hit on Favre. I remember it was weird that we didn't resign him after that season. Bitter perhaps?

SHOW ME where it was documented that player were incentivized to hurt other players.


I sure as heck didn't see it on video... :???:

I'd say the rat is one of the following: Shockey, Alex Brown, Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove, Reggie Bush, Jonathan Goodwin, Olin Kruetz.

I like the way you think. I've been talking about McCray as one of the snitches. Reggie is absolutely a possibility. Do you guys remember when he threw us under the bus earlier last season about the Giants faking injuries to slow down the other team's no-huddle offense? He made it pretty clear that the Saints did that too. Olin Kruetz could have done it too... But I only say that because he's Mr. "Oh so you're going to bench me because I suck?! Well then I quit!"

I'm really torn about this.

Obviously, I think the idea of paying players to hurt other players is absolutely reprehensible.

That said, where were the illegal hits? MAYBE the hit on Favre. One illegal hit is going to cost our team a million dollars, draft picks, and possibly losses next season if we have to, effectively, suspend our entire defense and head coach for multiple games?!?

How many players have been injured playing against us? How many fines have been levied against our defense for illegal hits? Does the league honestly think we're the only team that has such a "program?" (Not saying that makes it right, just calling b.s. on throwing us to the wolves.)

I mean, I get why the league has to do SOMETHING, it just seems like they're out to freaking destroy us for something that doesn't even seem to have resulted in dirty play on the field.

Let's see what the investigation shows. However since Gregg Williams is already falling on his sword by way an apology, leads me to think it is very possible the bounties took place. If all of this is true, then we deserve whatever punishment we get. If I were Drew Brees I would not want to re-sign with the Saints. I am extremely disapointed and disgusted by it all. This places a stigma on the superbowl win.

The only problem with these people is, it said someone brought this up in 2010 and then backed out. Then came back in 2011 with actual proof. So if this is true, it is somebody still on this team or atleast was on the team last year.

Bulls t. That was one of the greastest Super Bowl wins of all time.

If it is illegal....whay aren't the refs paying attention to the infraction. If a complaint is made to the league and the refs do not follow up and call the penalties and PAY ATTENTION.....then this bounty crap argument is MOOT

This whole thing is gonna blow over. Just like "spygate" or whatever the hell it was did for the patriots, and it WAS actually proven.

EXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXACTLY!!

I wanna know who wrote that 50,000 page 'novel'?

This is just ammo for the SAINTS to go out this year and win it all out right. This way there would be no doubts that the SAINTS are champions. !!!WHO DAT!!!! The NFL is turning into a bunch of sissy's if you ask me. If a player is afraid to make a hit it completely hinders them from giving it there all. Each player has the fine they are going to get in the back of there minds when they are on the field now. I wonder if the fans can protest the league rules on this? This mine as well be two hand touch football. Go out there, take your hits, and be a man about it. Isn't that what footbal was all about?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! MUCHO GRACIAS!! MERCI BON AMI!!!!

There are so many holes in this 50,000+ page 'novel' that the No Fun League has cooked up. If any of those hit were ILLEGAL, how come the "Striped Storm Troopers" did not call it right on the spot? Like SaintsFan1976 said earlier, SHOW US THE PROOF!!! If it's true, who was responsible for putting it out there? If the Saints really want to put out a bounty, they would have taken out the entire team, including the cheerleaders, the owner, the GM, the cat, the dog and the goldfish.

Mr. Goodell, if it's true like you say it is, show us the unadulterated proof. If not, please sit down and ESTEEFFYOO!!!

No bounty, had anything to do, with us winning that superbowl.... Even if, they carry on with this bs, you can't penalize the entire team for it. It had nothing to do with the plays carried out on the field....

The issue isn't how many, if any, players the Saints injuried, or how much, if any, money was paid to players.

The problem is that a bounty problem was in place to intentionally injure players for money.

If the report that Vilma put $10K cash on the table and said it was for knocking Favre out of the '09 NFCC, then he is phucked like a Chuck. I could see the Saints releasing him and saying it was for his role in this.

I don't understand yes it's wrong to get paid extra to actully go out and try to hurt a player I understand that part but I don't remember may games were we hurting guys. Yes I can see the NFC championship game were the were going after Farve but other than that I didn't see it.

Every defensive player in the league wants to inflict as much pain as possible on their opponent.

Just because a bounty exists doesn't mean players are gonna play dirty.

Its all about image and nothing else.

Goosfraba!

This doesn't taint the SB Title.

Every person who has played defense has a "Killer" attitude, for how they play the game. Your job as a defensive player is to knock the crap outta the guy with the ball. You are taught that all the way down to Pee-Wee level.

If you have a "I'm only going to try my best to just tackle the guy with the ball and make sure I don't hurt him"; you don't need to play on the defensive side of the ball.

This "Shocking Breaking News" crap; is just that....CRAP! This is going on in each and every NFL/E-NFL/College/High School team. This is BS, and I would like to know who the "Whistle blower" is. This is nothing more than some bored, penishead, reporter who never played a sport in his life, trying to make a name for himself.

Yes....Sapper is P.O.!!!!!!!!

saintsfan1976: I got a theory for you. What if it was Williams who leaked all this. He left the Saints to go to the Rams and knowing he had players with the Saints that he would want to take with him or that if they made it to the playoff over the next two years he would have to face the Saints. In "leaking" this he would accomplish several things;
1. He would possibly get a couple of those players because the Saints may be likely to cut them loose.
2. He would ensure we loose a few draft picks, which he new we would wind up using on the defensive side of the ball.
3. He would ensure that some of the players we are able to keep will be suspended and thus we would loose a few starters/key players.
4. He would ensure that the Saints would loose money in fines
5. Finally he would be able to label the team as "dirty" and all the while he just gets fined and moves on, no consequences for his new team.

I know it is far fetched but so is they idea that the Saints are the only one in the league who have done this. There is no way that Goodell can tell me "there was no evidence" of this occuring any were else in the league. Other players have already tweeted that it is happening.

As for the SB win being tainted, forget those who are saying that. The defense did not get us there all by themselves, it took a heck of a good of offense, special teams and coaching to earn that ring. As disgusted as I am about this whole thing, NO ONE is going to tell me that Championship is tainted.

I doubt it will tarnish our record at all.

All I got to say is that the way our defense played the last couple of years, there should be a carry over pot somewhere because they aint hit no one hard enough that was worthy of extra cash.

Let's put it this way... does anyone think the Spygate Patriots give a 2 cents about what everyone thinks about them?

They're shining their diamonds right now... and laughing in everyone's faces.

If you're a baseball fan, Mark McGwire is giving you the thumbs up.

Suck it up and move on. If someone came to your face and said forfeit your next 2 first round picks and to a championship, there's not a soul in any forum that wouldn't do it. Hell Cubs fan would sell their first born.

I think that the rat might have been Alex Brown - he makes the most sense if compared to the timetable. He was cut late last pre-season, which would coincide with the resurfacing of the evidence.

I am going to take Bush out of it because he has money.
Add Charles Grant as a possibility because his big gig was going out a date or two with NeNe Leakes-Big mouth and break out celeb from Real Houswives of Atlanta. Then CG got on the show a few times. He dated the criminal girl Marolowe Hapmton who is on the show. She really is a criminal with a rap sheet longer then your arm. She cut somebody too. You know ,cut, like with a sharpe edged piece.
CG doesn't have any looks. I doubt he has money, big money left.

Whoever the person is, he needs to be brought forward :mad:. This is the NFL and not the FBI. :whatever: